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Commander E.L.F
05-08-2009, 08:09 PM
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9562/narutovsasuke.gif
Hi peeps, im new here incase you havent guessed already. Ive had pivot for a while, but i only discovered this site about a week ago. So the only thing to do now is to post my pivs and hope people think it pwns. Anis coming as soon as I figure out how to post them!

Zed
05-09-2009, 12:52 AM
Excellent. If I were being really pedantic I could make a few small comments about the animation, like I don't think the blue guy falls fast enough after the last kick and I think the orage guy's body should be pushed back a little as well when he catches the blue guy's foot at the very beginning, but beyond that it's really good.

One thing that I would criticise is the background. In places it seems 3D and in other places it doesn't. I think you need to try to make the roofs deeper.

Lemon
05-09-2009, 12:56 AM
The animation was quite smooth, with good spacing. The one thing you need to improve upon is that it is quite stiff at parts. I particularly didn't like the punch on the ground.

Commander E.L.F
05-09-2009, 01:40 AM
Awesome. Thats a pretty good reply for my FIRST POST EVER. You guys rule.

N T
05-09-2009, 02:02 AM
lots of the physics were off, unless you wanted it to be like that.. and pretty stiff at parts. but the rest was good.

Avian
05-09-2009, 09:26 AM
Yes, and as Lemon said - stiff. Very stiff.

MaxZ
05-09-2009, 09:31 AM
It'd be better if you'd go to the beginners section. You can post out of here when you get better :] It was stiff and the reactions were off. The 3d on the background was off too.

Commander E.L.F
05-09-2009, 08:59 PM
After all, since im new here, anybody mind telling me where the beginners section is?

Commander E.L.F
05-09-2009, 10:12 PM
Never mind, i found it

Automaton
05-10-2009, 03:14 AM
Oh lord, everyone that said this is good is a moron. Seriously. You're just letting him in for a fall later. It was low beginner. There was no easing in the bodyparts because NONE OF THEM MOVED; it was too stiff, and the physics sucked. You used sticks of droidz and a background of droidz. Without those two, people might have looked at it differently (and not thought It was good because of them). Practice simple things such as walking and running, then move on to more complex things.

Zed
05-10-2009, 12:16 PM
Oh lord, everyone that said this is good is a moron. Seriously. You're just letting him in for a fall later. It was low beginner. There was no easing in the bodyparts because NONE OF THEM MOVED; it was too stiff, and the physics sucked. You used sticks of droidz and a background of droidz. Without those two, people might have looked at it differently (and not thought It was good because of them). Practice simple things such as walking and running, then move on to more complex things.

How can that be considered low beginner? Have you seen a low beginner animation? This is a low beginner animation (mine):
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5729/cascadeperfected.gif
So is this (not mine, fire and ice's):
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1866/theunforgivene1.gif
This was much better than those for a number of reasons.

1. They actually reacted to being hit and did so reasonably.
2. It wasn't choppy.
3. They moved at a reasonable speed for the effects that were being attempted.
4. There's nothing wrong with the physics. Yes, the blue guy doesn't fall at the end when he's being hit four times, but that's an effect. It's in slow motion to accentuate the hits.
5. You can't criticise him for not moving parts which shouldn't be moved in the sequence that he is attempting. Admitedly, there is little body movement, but there are only a few places where the body actually needs to be moved. The only really stiff bits which shouldn't be are the landings.

He cannot possibly be lower than med/high beginner.

Omega
05-10-2009, 12:31 PM
How can that be considered low beginner? Have you seen a low beginner animation? This is a low beginner animation (mine):
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5729/cascadeperfected.gif
So is this (not mine, fire and ice's):
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1866/theunforgivene1.gif
This was much better than those for a number of reasons.

1. They actually reacted to being hit and did so reasonably.
2. It wasn't choppy.
3. They moved at a reasonable speed for the effects that were being attempted.
4. There's nothing wrong with the physics. Yes, the blue guy doesn't fall at the end when he's being hit four times, but that's an effect. It's in slow motion to accentuate the hits.
5. You can't criticise him for not moving parts which shouldn't be moved in the sequence that he is attempting. Admitedly, there is little body movement, but there are only a few places where the body actually needs to be moved. The only really stiff bits which shouldn't be are the landings.

He cannot possibly be lower than med/high beginner.

It's good that you justify your responses. However:

The animation lacked movements.
The movements there were, were extremely stiff.
The movements lacked easing.
The only time you see easing is when easing, or in this case, the sliding of the stickfigures, is applied to the entire figure. This does not count as actual easing because easing needs to be applied to the right parts at the right time. Anyone, like ANYONE, knows how to move an entire figure a bit less every single frame to emulate what we call 'easing.' The difficulty of easing is that it has to be applied properly. Plus, the easing was applied too lightly; it ought to be heavier.

The movements were not smooth, but mostly because their weren't that many movements to view.
Physics were bad because of the improper application of easing.

Therefore it cannot be any higher than med beginner, at the most.

MaxZ
05-10-2009, 12:32 PM
No, Zed. You have different degrees of low beginner. He is one, there were no physics, the reactions all sucked, everything was stiff, and all body parts should be moved. When you jump, do you only move your legs?

As Omega said.

This is low beginner too:
http://i42.tinypic.com/rhlpc2.gif

Zed
05-10-2009, 01:18 PM
No, Zed. You have different degrees of low beginner. He is one, there were no physics, the reactions all sucked, everything was stiff, and all body parts should be moved. When you jump, do you only move your legs?

As Omega said.

This is low beginner too:
[image]

Surely a more reasonable system would be one where you are low beginner if you ******* up everything, a med beginner if you **** up just one or two things, and a high beginner if nothing is ****ed up but a few things aren't quite what they should have been/were intended to be.

Omega
05-10-2009, 01:38 PM
Surely a more reasonable system would be one where you are low beginner if you ******* up everything, a med beginner if you **** up just one or two things, and a high beginner if nothing is ****ed up but a few things aren't quite what they should have been/were intended to be.

I don't think I've ever seen you swear, Zed.

Zed
05-10-2009, 01:44 PM
I do it on occaision. Most of the time it is an unnecessary four letter addition to the post, but I think "****ed up" is a fairly concise term that gets the message accross. ******* can be funny if used sparingly. I might have sworn when someone posted an argument against evolution once. Besides that, no, you're right. Prehaps I should swear more often.

Automaton
05-10-2009, 01:50 PM
A high beginner is animations like this (mine from ages a go):

http://i25.tinypic.com/314ummt.gif
http://i25.tinypic.com/2lbkv2o.gif
http://i26.tinypic.com/2crx28g.gif
http://i32.tinypic.com/6sawbn.gif
http://i32.tinypic.com/2ns9z4o.gif

There is nothing wrong at all, and they are as I intended them (well, there may be little things wrong in some of them, in that case it isn't high beginner). It's perfectly fine, but I never got to inter because I didn't vary anything. I had the basics down to the bone, but I never experimented with heavy spacing, using effects or storylines, so high beginner I was. Low beginner is where you don't implement any of the basics (such as easing, physics and stiffness/smoothness), or do so in the wrong way/places. Med beginner is where you do get some or most of the basics down, but it may be stiff or not eased enough. High beginner is where you've got all of the basics down but don't experiment furhter with effects and storylines to create variation. Inter is where you do that. Based on this, he is low beginner because he didn't have any of the basics, and the ones he did have he implemented wrongly.

Zed
05-10-2009, 01:57 PM
Hmm. I retract my origional comment about excellence, but I still feel instinctively that this is better than low beginner. Maybe it's the droidz stuff that's doing it to me. Oh well, you're more experienced then I am, I'll trust your judgement.

Automaton
05-10-2009, 02:41 PM
Hmm. I retract my origional comment about excellence, but I still feel instinctively that this is better than low beginner. Maybe it's the droidz stuff that's doing it to me. Oh well, you're more experienced then I am, I'll trust your judgement.

At a stretch it could be seen as med beginner, but very LOW med beginner at that (wow, did I just use a sub-sub rank?). There are many more deserving animations that have been classed as only just med beginner though.

Rival
05-10-2009, 02:59 PM
A high beginner is animations like this (mine from ages a go):

http://i25.tinypic.com/314ummt.gif
http://i25.tinypic.com/2lbkv2o.gif
http://i26.tinypic.com/2crx28g.gif
http://i32.tinypic.com/6sawbn.gif (http://i32.tinypic.com/6sawbn.gif)
http://i32.tinypic.com/2ns9z4o.gif


you can have a whole discussion with zawmbee about easing in a flip.

Commander E.L.F
05-11-2009, 01:41 AM
Oh lord, everyone that said this is good is a moron. Seriously. You're just letting him in for a fall later. It was low beginner. There was no easing in the bodyparts because NONE OF THEM MOVED; it was too stiff, and the physics sucked. You used sticks of droidz and a background of droidz. Without those two, people might have looked at it differently (and not thought It was good because of them). Practice simple things such as walking and running, then move on to more complex things.
There are a number of reasons why i hate this,
1. You r FLAMING my first post.
2. That was something i made in, like, 5 MINUTES
3. Almost everybody uses droidz,
4. Let's see how good you are. Huh? HUH?!

Scarecrow
05-11-2009, 01:50 AM
Unnecessary guys, shut up and comment on the animation in the first post.

Rival
05-11-2009, 07:37 AM
If it's made five minutes, then make something you did with more effort, else you get nowhere, You need to use every limb of a body to move so use them all in pivot as well.
Automaton already showed how good he was.

poppetje3D
05-11-2009, 07:44 AM
this made me do my head down. :(

Automaton
05-11-2009, 08:34 AM
There are a number of reasons why i hate this,
1. You r FLAMING my first post.
That isn't flaming. Flaming would be an insult directed at you for no correct reason. If anything I was calling people that told you you were good a moron. I then stated why they ranked you wrong
2. That was something i made in, like, 5 MINUTES
That is no excuse. Either spend more time on it, or do a more well thought out anim in that time. I've done better in 5 minutes, but that's not you. I'm just saying, NEVER use that or that you were bored/don't care as an excuse.
3. Almost everybody uses droidz,
I never said there was a problem with that. I said people probably liked your animation because of that, and that shouldn't be the case. Besides which not every uses droidz. I wish this section would go back to when respectful animators posted animations, such as Zawmbee, DoD, Stormwalker and Pf0. Believe me, don't use droidz. Make your own sticks, though it is occasionally OK to use BG's off there AS LONG AS YOU GIVE CREDIT TO THE MAKER.
4. Let's see how good you are. Huh? HUH?!
I've just shown you some of my animations, but that's not the point. I bet simon Cowell can't actually sing in real life but he's still a good judge. I don't have to be better than you to know more about it than you.

Show some respect, and realise I wasn't flaming you at all. There was no need to get bitchy over this.

Rival
05-11-2009, 10:01 AM
You're a bit too selfish automaton, you think you stand above almost every beginner.... (might be true, but don't say it out loud that much)

Avian
05-11-2009, 10:25 AM
There are a number of reasons why i hate this,
1. You r FLAMING my first post.
2. That was something i made in, like, 5 MINUTES
3. Almost everybody uses droidz,
4. Let's see how good you are. Huh? HUH?!
You mean almost everybody is an idiot.

Rival
05-11-2009, 10:41 AM
no, it's clever, it takes less time then making own things at the begin, and later, when you've become better, you make your own things.

Avian
05-11-2009, 11:01 AM
I never used Droidz.

Rival
05-11-2009, 11:04 AM
and? the point is? that you own? that he's a noob? ppl put things on droidz BECAUSE they want others to use it. That's called sharing. It's only usefull for ppl who can't make certain things on their own.

zawmbee
05-11-2009, 11:06 AM
aye uz droidz all de teim bcuz im 2 lazi 2 maek mah own

Rival
05-11-2009, 11:07 AM
gonna sig that.

MaxZ
05-11-2009, 11:11 AM
Because it's so hard to make your own lines.

Rival
05-11-2009, 11:12 AM
Yup. You get it ;)

MaxZ
05-11-2009, 11:13 AM
-2 sarcasm.
I know you was sarcasming me.

Avian
05-11-2009, 11:14 AM
and? the point is? that you own? that he's a noob? ppl put things on droidz BECAUSE they want others to use it. That's called sharing. It's only usefull for ppl who can't make certain things on their own.
There wasn't any point at all.

zawmbee
05-11-2009, 11:14 AM
He's such a derp.

Rival
05-11-2009, 11:14 AM
wow... then why did you say it?

zawmbee
05-11-2009, 11:16 AM
Sarcasm. Learn it.

Rival
05-11-2009, 11:16 AM
not zyles. Avian.

Avian
05-11-2009, 11:16 AM
Just for fun.
You don't know what fun is ? *******. I had to say it.

MaxZ
05-11-2009, 11:17 AM
You find it fun to say: 'I never used Droidz?'

Let's stop spamming this thread, though.

Rival
05-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Yah I know what it is, but why was that fun to say?

edit: good idea.

Avian
05-11-2009, 11:20 AM
Ah, the ****. I was bored. That happens a lot.

Commander E.L.F
05-12-2009, 12:39 AM
You find it fun to say: 'I never used Droidz?'

Let's stop spamming this thread, though.
Amen, bro. if we could say that to everyone, the world would be a better place.

Commander E.L.F
05-12-2009, 01:36 AM
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1355/signatureanimation.gif
Okay, we've got like, 2 pages of spam, so heres another ani you can argue about.

Zed
05-12-2009, 05:18 AM
I don't like the little white dot in the middle of his head. I think the movements are ok but there wasn't much there. The legs almost don't move and there's no real opportunity for easing. I think on the letters falling it should have been eased a bit more, especially seeing as that was the only part of the animation that you could have shown it.

Shrink it and put it in your avatar anyway - it makes you look less noobish and more newbie (which is an improvement).

Rival
05-12-2009, 06:52 AM
The dot is because he made the figure wrong.

Avian
05-12-2009, 08:44 AM
A bit stiff and choppy. It needs more (better) easing.

Rival
05-12-2009, 12:04 PM
it makes you look less noobish and more newbie (which is an improvement).


lol that ain't an improvement. A newbie is a nice word for noob. you didn't know that?

Zed
05-13-2009, 05:14 AM
lol that ain't an improvement. A newbie is a nice word for noob. you didn't know that?

Yes but being nice to someone is one step higher than being nasty to someone, donchathink?

Scarecrow
05-13-2009, 05:25 AM
lol that ain't an improvement. A newbie is a nice word for noob. you didn't know that?

No, it isn't.

A newbie is defined as someone who is new.

A "noob" is generally personified as someone who is a complete ****tard.