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demonkilo
08-13-2009, 04:10 PM
I was watching some DBZ Pivot Fights and I really wanted to make one of them. It's only my second pivot, so tell me what you think.

I can't make links to youtube, so if you could please copy and paste this link into a different tab, it'd be greatly appreciated. :)

Link: "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OheLkusJEQk"

Zed
08-14-2009, 03:55 AM
My thoughts before I even look at it are "Oh, Christ, not another one." I'll edit some cc into this post in a second, but I'll say before I even start that:

1. It's not a good idea to post your animations on Youtube. Use www.imageshack.us instead.

2. DBZ animations almost never look good. People get too tied up in effects and don't know the basics before they do them. It might be possible to do one and make it look good if you know how to use pivot well, but I've never seen an experienced animator even attempt it.

3. Generally we would say that your second animation should go in the beginners section.

Now let's follow this link shall we? brb



Edit: Your second?

It's not exactly epic, but I must say I'm impressed considering. I was expecting choppy, uneased, noobishness with a dash of pure idiocy but actually it could have been worse.

It was well eased.

There was little stiffness (except the part where he does the spinning kick and the bit at the beginning before it gets going). This is particularly impressive since the sticks were hovering - most people would have just left them still.

The effects were reasonably well used and you didn't use too many of them.

My criticisms would be that you need to work on the more basic aspects of walking and ensuring that all the limbs bend the way they're supposed to. Also, I think too much of the animation was sprites. Overall what was there was impressive, but it didn't necessarily reflect your ability as an animator. There was no way for us to see how you are with physics, for instance, as the laws of nature appear to be suspended for these DBZ fights. The stuff that you did animate was done well. For a second animation your easing and reduction of stiffness is remarkable, but it is also a bit basic. Your Youtube video is getting consistantly ranked 5 stars because it looks good, but I think if you were to replace the DBZ sticks with ordinary stick men and remove the effects then it would be more mediocre. You're about med-beginner.

N T
08-14-2009, 04:46 AM
Zed, you pivot-noob helper XD

Avian
08-14-2009, 10:11 AM
Geez, your crits are ****ing long.

Zed
08-14-2009, 10:39 AM
I felt it warrented it. There was a lot to say.

demonkilo
08-14-2009, 12:22 PM
1.) I post on youtube because I got some fans on there and I wanted to add in some sounds and music.

2.) I know most people think DBZ animations look choppy in parts and un-eased and that's why people make them, but I wanted to outrule that nasty rumor that goes around because there are really good DBZ animators out there...and I'm not gona lie they put in nice effects which really is hard to do...that was my hardest thing to tell you the truth. The effects, I had so much trouble with them, I said fu*k it, I'm gona use a sprite.

3.) I'm sorry I didn't post in the begginers section, that was a fail on my part D:

Although, I am very grateful that you even looked at it in the first place and It's good to hear you at-least appreciate it. I tried making it look like they were flying, so I tried moving some of their joints to like move in the wind. I know it's stiff, I know there's flaws and I'm sorry, but it's my second animation and it took me forever. I was just trying to make it the best I could to my abilities.

If you truly want to see a animation....one that's not "DBZ style" then go back to my channel and look at my other pivot. It's my only other one and it's my "first ever". After reading over your comment, I realize my first animation is the kind of standards you look at. It's definitely not my best compared to the DBZ fight, but it should rule out the DBZ effects. So if you feel it's easier, go ahead and rank me on that.

Zed
08-14-2009, 01:53 PM
Even your first is better than some. A few walk tests and a bit of practice and you could be quite good.

kingsmash
08-14-2009, 03:11 PM
that was a nice vid considering it was your second animation but i would also like to say something about what zed said about the sprites the they look ok but dont try to rely on a sprite to fix something that is to hard to do animation takes time and patience and if is to hard just come here and check the forums they have almost everything you need to know

demonkilo
08-14-2009, 07:10 PM
that was a nice vid considering it was your second animation but i would also like to say something about what zed said about the sprites the they look ok but dont try to rely on a sprite to fix something that is to hard to do animation takes time and patience and if is to hard just come here and check the forums they have almost everything you need to know

Hey, thanks for the tips man! I'll definitely do that next time.

Nathy
08-14-2009, 07:40 PM
It got very good!
Its very smooth, and, really, it don't looks like your second animation
I'm sure youl'd be a very good animator!

german321
08-15-2009, 10:30 AM
2. DBZ animations almost never look good ZED YOU RIGHT
AND 1 YOU USE SPIRITS ITS SUCK

Rival
08-15-2009, 10:53 AM
@ german: This one did look good compared to others, so you shouldn't make fools out of people for saying those things, and think you are cool.
And yes sprites aren't really fascinating to see for everyone can download them, but still, he can choose to use them or not, so don't judge him on that.

german321
08-15-2009, 11:23 AM
-_- What Ever
...

Rival
08-15-2009, 01:24 PM
Hey I'm just helping you not to make stupid comments.

demonkilo
08-15-2009, 10:53 PM
Yea seriously...whether I use sprites or not is my business. I'm a bit too lazy to add in my own effects on my "second" animation. I tried to change the horrible rumor going around saying that DBZ animations sucks. I tried adding in all physics and in my opinion it looked good. Thanks for sticking up for me Rival...I'll take any constructive criticism German321, but don't be an ass...

Marnean
08-17-2009, 08:58 AM
im a noob what is a dbz animation

Marnean
08-17-2009, 08:59 AM
im not spamming i just wanted to get 20 posts so this thing would stop popping up on my screen thats all

Rival
08-17-2009, 09:51 AM
STOP ****ING DOUBLE POSTING ALREADY!!!

gosh.

german321
08-17-2009, 02:28 PM
Thx Rival And Marnean You Just Want To Make More Post And You Spam Stop It You Make Your Spam In My Post To Now Stop It
And My Opst Is Up There ^

Rival
08-17-2009, 02:30 PM
You might want to stop trying to insult me, it only makes you look dumb, for I'm not spamming at all. Wth is opst?

german321
08-17-2009, 02:34 PM
You might want to stop trying to insult me, it only makes you look dumb, for I'm not spamming at all. Wth is opst?
NO I SAT TO YOU THX THANX AND I SAY TO SOM OTHER SPAMER HE SPAM NOT TO YOU :Embarrassed:

pheonixslayer21
08-17-2009, 02:38 PM
NO I SAT TO YOU THX THANX AND I SAY TO SOM OTHER SPAMER HE SPAM NOT TO YOU :Embarrassed:
i'm sorry but you suck at grammer get a dictionary :/

german321
08-17-2009, 02:49 PM
Man I Speak Good Hebreu France And Russ And This Year I Need To Learn German Now That Why I Cant Speak Good English

Rival
08-17-2009, 04:55 PM
Man you just need to get a good translater already.

Google translate is a good one.

demonkilo
08-17-2009, 06:07 PM
Ok! All of you, that's enough. Delete this thread because all I ever get is a bunch of spammers in my threads. I'm tired of it, you all need to grow up...bunch of immature kids...

pheonixslayer21
08-17-2009, 06:16 PM
Ok! All of you, that's enough. Delete this thread because all I ever get is a bunch of spammers in my threads. I'm tired of it, you all need to grow up...bunch of immature kids...
the animation was high beginner may be med high because it was stiff is some parts though it was fluid, but something feels weird about it, the easing was good, but the fact that people were flying made it weird to me, so work on the stiffness and theres my cc :/ and ive looked at your threads and theres not one spam post in any of them your just mad at this one thread -_-

demonkilo
08-17-2009, 07:12 PM
It's not just this one thread, people have gone on and on about why we can't post urls until we have 20 posts on my other only thread. I hate when people do that, even on others thread, why can't you save that for pms or just keep it to yourselfs...

german321
08-18-2009, 02:06 AM
Man you just need to get a good translater already.

Google translate is a good one.

And how I talk now? :Smile:


It's not just this one thread, people have gone on and on about why we can't post urls until we have 20 posts on my other only thread. I hate when people do that, even on others thread, why can't you save that for pms or just keep it to yourselfs...
Yes you are right

Rival
08-18-2009, 04:00 AM
And how I talk now? :Smile:


Yes you are right


You still talk like a 2 year old. Translate whole LINES, not just a word.

kingsmash
08-18-2009, 04:57 PM
You 2 been goin at it for a while now lol

Rival
08-18-2009, 05:07 PM
Hey!!! It's not just me!! Why am I always the first one to be pointed at when there's a flamewar!??

pheonixslayer21
08-18-2009, 05:25 PM
It's not just this one thread, people have gone on and on about why we can't post urls until we have 20 posts on my other only thread. I hate when people do that, even on others thread, why can't you save that for pms or just keep it to yourselfs...
its called tell them how to post images dammit, your overreacting to some little crap that newbs need help with, pms cant get them answers, so find a good reason, not this crap

Rival
08-19-2009, 05:42 AM
No, he's right, we should stop chatting in threads, thats why they made a chat thread.

pheonixslayer21
08-19-2009, 10:17 AM
No, he's right, we should stop chatting in threads, thats why they made a chat thread.

Oh, I still think he should've helped the newbies about 20 posts thing though and it's people like german that invade threads and turn it into a chat(my last post in this thread)

Marnean
08-20-2009, 09:27 AM
wasnt spamming trying to get 20 posts so the ****ing message would stop popping up

stringeh
08-20-2009, 10:43 AM
Zed, you pivot-noob helper XD
Lol, THATZ NOT VERY NICE!!!!