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Tortuga
10-04-2009, 06:22 PM
MR. CROWLEY'S THREAD

All C&C is greatly appreciated

ANIMATIONS

Ratings:
(G) - Good
(M) - Medium
(B) - Bad
*All ratings are by my standards

http://i34.tinypic.com/1fiaeb.gif
Should i continue? Welcome for cc on this one (i realize the foot placement is horrible...)


NEWEST

Suicide(G)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Suicide.gif

RECENT

Reverse Kick(G)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/ReverseKick.gif




OLD

Decoy(G-ish) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Bos.gif)
A bit slow due to gif. options
Uppercut(M) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/UpperCut.gif)
Split Kick(G) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/SplitKick.gif)
Kick(M-G) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Kick.gif)
Jump Kick(M-G) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Jumpkick.gif)
Combo(M-G) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Combo.gif)
Double Kick(B) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Doublekick.gif)
Run loop(M) (http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Run.gif)

Zed
10-05-2009, 10:45 AM
I think you could afford to cut out a frame on the way up in the split kick, but that aside I think you're good.

Personally I think that run that you've ranked (M) is a beautiful piece of work, even if the loop is a little off.

poppetje3D
10-05-2009, 12:42 PM
I Actually hate the run.
Most of it is chopy.
I almost don't see any smoothing.

Dot.

Tortuga
10-05-2009, 04:13 PM
@Zed thank you very much

@Poppetje3D Do you mean most of the run is chopy or most my animations are choppy? What exactly is smoothing?

anfu
10-05-2009, 09:28 PM
These are really awesome! I like your style. The run was weird and floaty, but it was still good. You should make an actual fight :Happy:

Avian
10-06-2009, 11:08 AM
You're not serious, right

Zed
10-06-2009, 11:23 AM
You're not serious, right

I am. He's a high beginner who could probably do more complex stuff if he tried. The run is unrealistic and cartoony, certainly, but I enjoyed watching it more than I enjoy some of the more technically correct stuff that's out there.

zawmbee
10-06-2009, 11:26 AM
Why the **** isn't this guy in the BT?

Zed
10-06-2009, 11:28 AM
Because people's threads are longer and look like they get more cc, even though on a per-animation basis they get much less than the BT, and he didn't feel he was getting enough in there.

zawmbee
10-06-2009, 11:29 AM
So, because his beginner animations were being ignored, he decides to post them all, on a thread?
Where's the logic in that?

Gyohdon
10-06-2009, 03:18 PM
I am. He's a high beginner who could probably do more complex stuff if he tried. The run is unrealistic and cartoony, certainly, but I enjoyed watching it more than I enjoy some of the more technically correct stuff that's out there.

There is no high beginner, just beginner.
And he's not good, I'll CC later, I'm on my wii.

nooob300
10-06-2009, 04:11 PM
So, because his beginner animations were being ignored, he decides to post them all, on a thread?
Where's the logic in that?
dude stfu cut the guy some slack he was getting ignored if your gonna c&c then c&c dont just talk bs.

Tortuga
10-06-2009, 04:27 PM
There is no high beginner, just beginner.


So, by your logic these 2 animations deserve the same rank?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2ldwpd3.gif http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/SplitKick.gif

nooob300
10-06-2009, 04:49 PM
So, by your logic these 2 animations deserve the same rank?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2ldwpd3.gif http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/SplitKick.giflol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

zawmbee
10-07-2009, 09:14 AM
So, by your logic these 2 animations deserve the same rank?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2ldwpd3.gif http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/SplitKick.gif
Yes, they're both pretty ****ing bad.

@NOOBFAGGOT
Retype that in correct English which I can properly understand please. Besides, I'm not even going to pay attention to a guy who has the word "noob" in his name anyway. Dumb****.

Gyohdon
10-07-2009, 09:31 AM
So, by your logic these 2 animations deserve the same rank?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2ldwpd3.gif http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/SplitKick.gif

Yes, beginner is beginner.

And noob-bitch, stop the ego-trip, you're not cool, your sig isn't either.
Idiot.

Hi Zawmbabe :D

Avian
10-07-2009, 10:04 AM
So, by your logic these 2 animations deserve the same rank?

http://i34.tinypic.com/2ldwpd3.gif http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/SplitKick.gif
The difference is you put less effort into the worse one, but both are almost the same quality.

bubbles
10-07-2009, 12:15 PM
I saw the easing in the split kick, but most of them were still very stiff.

Zed
10-07-2009, 01:31 PM
This is why ranks are silly.

Tortuga
10-07-2009, 03:02 PM
okay then, all you fags can stop crying that i made a thread outside of the beginners section that nobody checks...

I didn't expect to be good within the first couple months of animating

I made this thread for cc, but aparently everyone's idea of that is "Why the **** isn't this guy in the BT?" and, "he's not good"

Covalence
10-07-2009, 03:15 PM
The whole Pivot section is a load of BUUULLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIITTTt
I myself think beginner's threads are getting quite useless, as well as ranks. Although the BT does restrain all the complete immature faggots that only post pivot animations on YouTube.
so anyway

If you don't want to be labeled as a "beginner" you'll need to get familiar with various animation terms, and how to apply them to any animation. So read this huge tutorial: http://www.darkdemon.org/viewtopic.php?t=22662&start=0

Read mostly the beginner and intermediate section, because those contain things that you will need to get better, like easing, spacing, etc. If you're worried about "stealing" a style, don't worry. This is just a huge reference manual, it's not meant to make you change your animating ways.

Zed
10-07-2009, 03:21 PM
The whole Pivot section is a load of BUUULLLLLLLSHIIIIIIIIITTTt.

Oi! I will not hear that about this beautiful pivot section!

The "download pivot." thread does it's job perfectly. Some would say too well.

99.9% of the pivot section is bullshit. ;)



I have no complaint with anyone posting outside beginners but I try to give more complete cc out than in. Inside the beginners thread I would tend to try to just say what I think the guy should work on first (ie. easing) wheras in a seperate thread I would try to list everything I can see. Unless I feel lazy. Or I forget. Still, it works in principle.

Tortuga
10-07-2009, 03:25 PM
THANK YOU Dark for actually helping unlike most everyone else...

Tortuga
10-08-2009, 08:22 PM
BUMPDATE! =/

Decoy(G-ish)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Bos.gif
A bit slow due to gif. options

Gyohdon
10-08-2009, 11:41 PM
BUMPDATE! =/

Decoy(G-ish)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Bos.gif

It looks better than previous ones, but here's something on your kicks: People don't kick with their front legs.
You just can't put force in it if you use front legs. So next time making a kick, use the back leg.
Also, you CAN move the arms in a kick, it may go wrong when you try it first time, but hey, practice makes perfect.

Also, the recoil on the gun was too small.


A bit slow due to gif. options

Uncheck merge, frame delay: 6, size 1/2. That's for pivot 2.2.5, dunno if you maybe use pivot 3, that's not my area of expertise.

Zed
10-09-2009, 05:06 AM
Mmm, you want frame rate of about 20fps don't you? You can always flash it, but animating in slow motion isn't always a bad thing. It gets you thinking about movements more.

Basically what Gyohdon said, but also, when you recoil a gun, the force isn't going up, it's going back. The gun will point up because that's how the human arm hinges, but you want to lower the upper arm too to make it more back and less up.

Tortuga
10-09-2009, 06:31 AM
Okay, i'm just really bad at arms so i've gotta practice that...

And i'll try working on more realistic kicks =]

Tortuga
10-09-2009, 07:25 PM
Update

here is one of my first upper body attacks, i've been sticking with kicks and am trying to improve my punches and stuff

UpperCut(M-G)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/UpperCut.gif

Tortuga
10-09-2009, 08:51 PM
People don't kick with their front legs.

Does this look better?

Reverse Kick(G)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/ReverseKick.gif

Gyohdon
10-10-2009, 12:32 AM
Does this look better?

Yes, but I'll give you some hints.
1). Stop the shake effect. It makes it hard to take a good look at the animation. Also, he doesn't have enough force to make the world shake.
2). When you kick, you usually stretch your leg in front of you, or in this case behind. This kick looked more like a stomp on the ground.
3). Add just a little bit more frames on the kick itself to give it that little powerful look. Maybe double-frame it if you know how to.

Apart from those little things you're taking the advice well.
You're doing great :D

Edit:
Looked at your double-kick animation. The first kick is the kind of kick I'm talking about. Stretched leg, in front of him.

Avian
10-10-2009, 08:24 AM
Update

here is one of my first upper body attacks, i've been sticking with kicks and am trying to improve my punches and stuff

UpperCut(M-G)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/UpperCut.gif
The aerial kick was weird, this part lacked easing. Moon physics.

Tortuga
10-10-2009, 10:14 AM
Yes, but I'll give you some hints.
1). Stop the shake effect. It makes it hard to take a good look at the animation. Also, he doesn't have enough force to make the world shake.
Ok, i'll keep that in mind, it's just that i don't seem to be able to get enough force without it

2). When you kick, you usually stretch your leg in front of you, or in this case behind. This kick looked more like a stomp on the ground.
I think you missunderstood, i was going for a stomp on the ground, knowing that would you consider it an improvement

3). Add just a little bit more frames on the kick itself to give it that little powerful look. Maybe double-frame it if you know how to.
Okay, just to clarify, you don't change ANY joints when you double-frame?

Apart from those little things you're taking the advice well.
You're doing great :D
Thank you =]

Edit:
Looked at your double-kick animation. The first kick is the kind of kick I'm talking about. Stretched leg, in front of him.
So kick with your back leg?


The aerial kick was weird, this part lacked easing. Moon physics.
Okay, i'll work on that

Thank you both for the C&C, it is GREATLY appreciated.

Tortuga
10-14-2009, 10:15 PM
Bumpdate =]
(am i not supposed to do this?)

I'm trying to get away from simple kicks and punches...

Suicide(G-ish)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Suicide.gif

2-D
10-14-2009, 10:21 PM
that liftoff was cool

Tortuga
10-14-2009, 10:25 PM
Thanks

I am honored that you thought part of my pivot animation was "cool"
And your anti-pivot

GotPepsi
10-15-2009, 01:10 AM
The movements seem to flow very well, but in your animations its seems like its lacking gravity. For example the upper-cut punch thingy... Hes moving at the same speed through the whole animation. it should be fast-slow-fast bla bla bla. At the point where he loses all the energy from the jump that should be the slowest point in your animation, also more easing toward the landing, seems like you got lazy at the end... :\

Vendetta
10-15-2009, 08:38 AM
I likked the suicide one and even though the run's loop was a little messed up I liked it's style. You have good easing in all of these, and I think I would rate the run loop a G

Avian
10-15-2009, 11:49 AM
Bumpdate =]
(am i not supposed to do this?)

I'm trying to get away from simple kicks and punches...

Suicide(G-ish)-
http://i913.photobucket.com/albums/ac335/Nedwardturtl/Animation/Suicide.gif
Moon physics at the beginning of the backflip, else it's fine.

alexkosirev
10-15-2009, 12:25 PM
It's good anim.

Tortuga
10-15-2009, 02:59 PM
Moon physics at the beginning of the backflip, else it's fine.

Thanks

I tried to slow it down at the top of the jump, why, im not sure but i like how it came out,

Zed
10-15-2009, 03:01 PM
I agree with Avian. It's a pretty nice piece of animation. I'd have liked to see more done with the arms though - especially at the beginning where he could have probably used the momentum.

RawGreen
10-17-2009, 11:42 AM
you're gunna want to try out fixing your physics for the jumping, and allot of the landing after all of the attacks are improper and awkward. I have to say that they are crappy, but allot better than most. Suicide one is far most the best but, like I said, you need to work on the physics.

Tortuga
10-17-2009, 03:47 PM
you're gunna want to try out fixing your physics for the jumping, and allot of the landing after all of the attacks are improper and awkward. I have to say that they are crappy, but allot better than most. Suicide one is far most the best but, like I said, you need to work on the physics.

Okay, i'll work on that in my upcoming animations...

Is there anyway i could convince you into taking a specific animation and point out where the physics are off and how to fix them?

If not that's fine...

Tortuga
10-27-2009, 09:21 PM
Bumpdate!

http://i34.tinypic.com/1fiaeb.gif
Should i continue this?

Vendetta
10-27-2009, 10:41 PM
I really don't see the point in a beginner's thread. Beginners need more C&C so why post in a thread that gets almost no C&C at all?

poppetje3D
10-28-2009, 08:40 AM
Bumpdate!

http://i34.tinypic.com/1fiaeb.gif
Should i continue this?

Whoa , That's quite good!
Yes yes continue it!

zawmbee
10-28-2009, 10:18 AM
I really don't see the point in a beginner's thread. Beginners need more C&C so why post in a thread that gets almost no C&C at all?
It's so we are not forced into seeing your god awful animation.

Arch-Angel
10-28-2009, 10:23 AM
^ Is true .

Avian
10-28-2009, 11:46 AM
I really don't see the point in a beginner's thread. Beginners need more C&C so why post in a thread that gets almost no C&C at all?
You are blind I guess

PivotIke
10-28-2009, 08:12 PM
nice more smoother than mine lol

demonkilo
10-28-2009, 08:34 PM
Really good animations, I like your style, how you move the stickman all the time even if there standing, but in some parts I could mistake that for shakiness.

Vendetta
10-28-2009, 10:00 PM
It's so we are not forced into seeing your god awful animation.
oh I get what you mean. Actually it would be good to have an entire beginner's forum instead of just a thread.

Avian
10-29-2009, 10:27 AM
Go and tell administrators then.

Automaton
10-29-2009, 11:06 AM
You need to add a little more easing, a bit more heavy spaced.

Tortuga
10-29-2009, 03:47 PM
Try not to derail this thread...

Does the edited part look as crappy as i think it does?
http://i36.tinypic.com/ac3bsh.gif