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bad badam
01-23-2013, 10:36 AM
ok lemme start of by saying i keep losing hardly winning and i am frustrated i dont understand every match the opponent just pwns me and im sick of it pls help






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WyzDM
01-23-2013, 10:54 AM
Add me, code is in my signature. I'll help ya out.

bad badam
01-23-2013, 11:03 AM
k added u thanks really appreciate it

WyzDM
01-23-2013, 11:44 AM
Let's be a little more specific about your problems here. Where exactly are you having trouble? Give us some key hindrances (Opponent's army is larger, don't know how to do this or that, etc).

bad badam
01-23-2013, 12:40 PM
well mostly dont know what to do :P i used to use the surprise spearton strategy now it just doesnt work for me

WyzDM
01-23-2013, 12:59 PM
well mostly dont know what to do :P i used to use the surprise spearton strategy now it just doesnt work for me

The surprise spearton hurts your economy, and can only have any effect on a shorter stage. I'll discuss more things with you in SE.

I'll need your code as well.

ShadowyWhisper
01-23-2013, 01:56 PM
The surprise spearton hurts your economy, and can only have any effect on a shorter stage. I'll discuss more things with you in SE.

I'll need your code as well.

Here is what's wrong with this strategy, and how I personally defend against it. I usually see my opponent DOESN'T try to get the middle as he is trying to keep the Spearton a secret. So, what I do is send a ShadowWrath with cloak and sneak up to opponent's garrison to check. If he has... let's say 20 Spearton.

Middle: This is mostly for show. You want to keep your real defense a secret. Spearton Rushers are basically like Giant Spammers. They DON'T scout to see what your army is like. They either CAN'T find out or just ASSUME that his army can defeat yours or destroy your statue in time.

So, you should have some expensive looking units but not all of your army. For example, a Magikill and maybe a Giant or 2 with Allbowtrosses or Archidons. Simple, not really complicated. As I said, more for show as your opponent will most likely assume that's your entire army and he won't bother to scout.

Base: This is where the defense lies. You will need 1-2 Miner Walls, 2-3 Castle Archers, 5-10 SwordWrath with rage, and 1 Spearton in Shield Wall.

Last game, I had 1 Miner wall, 2 Castle Archers, 7 SwordWrath, and 1 Spearton. Set up your defense like this EXACTLY.

Build 1st Wall farther away from base, and 2nd Wall closer to base. I only had time to build 1, but that's okay. If you build 2, your opponent's Spearton will die before your statue has lost ANY health at all. If you build it in this order, your opponent's Spearton will start to target your army unless he manually selects the 2nd Wall. Your Spearton, of course, will be in front. Your 5-10 SwordWrath then will start pounding away and start destroying your opponent. If you can get a Magikill with Electric Wall, then all the better.

20 Spearton dead before 3/4 statue health is gone.

DragonFrost
01-23-2013, 03:03 PM
Surprise spearton... Not spearton mass. He means spearton EARLY ATTACK

WyzDM
01-23-2013, 03:18 PM
Surprise spearton... Not spearton mass. He means spearton EARLY ATTACK

He did both. Valid points remain valid.

But his "early attack" wasn't even as early as I expected.

It's all in the pressure.

XJAWZ
01-23-2013, 03:19 PM
The spearton surprise is easy to beat. Just scout ahead with one sword at beginning(one miner on mana(trained), 2 other on gold), and leave 200 dollars to spare. Then, when you see opponent has spearton surprise, get some more swordwrath and rage (you should have enough money by now). Three swords with rage can easily pwn the lonely spearton, and then you can attack his defense-less miners, because it is likely he will try to build up his economy after the early game spearton. After that, its another story.

ShadowyWhisper
01-23-2013, 03:47 PM
Well, it would take MORE time and MORE money and mana to build 3 SwordWrath with rage. Think about it. 150+150+150+50=500, and the same for mana, 50.

XJAWZ
01-23-2013, 03:57 PM
no... You just need 150 and 50 mana. Remember? I only bought one miner and I had 200 left over. So thats 2 swords already. All you need is 150 (two miner deposits) and 50 mana, which should be done by now by the miner assigned to statue worship. But yes, it will still be expensive, but at least you gained the upper hand in the beginning of the game.

DragonFrost
01-23-2013, 04:37 PM
The extra 50 gold is worth it, if you get the middle (it will get more than 50 gold for you, if you have it for a while)

ShadowyWhisper
01-23-2013, 05:18 PM
no... You just need 150 and 50 mana. Remember? I only bought one miner and I had 200 left over. So thats 2 swords already. All you need is 150 (two miner deposits) and 50 mana, which should be done by now by the miner assigned to statue worship. But yes, it will still be expensive, but at least you gained the upper hand in the beginning of the game.

Imagine a Spearton charging at you with 2 SwordWrath and no Rage. And yes, on every map except Grass Hills this is possible. Target miners first depending, miners dead, Spearton retreats. SwordWrath try to chase it down. My 4 miners, I usually have 4 by then, go to garrison. You are left with 2, my Spearton heals and wards off your attacking SwordWrath. You have not gotten the upper hand, nor have you the economical advantage.

So, what am I saying?

Buy 1 SwordWrath and send it to the center. Make sure you have 4 miners, so you can have a Spearton loading by the time your opponent gets one. You will have the economical advantage as well as offensive. Your SwordWrath should have done SOME damage by then, so his Spearton will die before yours.

Good luck!

bad badam
01-24-2013, 06:42 AM
not to be rude but.......why are u all telling me how to counter my own strategy?i think one would know how to counter his own strategy anyways i need help or a new strategy.
oh and um wouldnt a more simple way to counter this strategy be to get a castle archer and a swordwrath?(talkin about the early spearton attack)

WyzDM
01-24-2013, 08:34 AM
not to be rude but.......why are u all telling me how to counter my own strategy?i think one would know how to counter his own strategy anyways i need help or a new strategy.
oh and um wouldnt a more simple way to counter this strategy be to get a castle archer and a swordwrath?(talkin about the early spearton attack)

Instead of coming up with counter ideas, play your own game, but remain adaptive.

At the start game, you should be fighting for the middle, and keep making units until you control more ground than your opponent. Then watch what units he starts to make and simply build your army around that. If he has speartons and ground units, go for the air. If he's in the air, go for archers, tanks to meatshield and wizards. If he has a wizard or a giant, make tank units and ninjas.

DragonFrost
01-24-2013, 08:59 AM
WOAH YOU taught me something today, wyzdm. I rarely adapt :P

bad badam
01-24-2013, 01:45 PM
Instead of coming up with counter ideas, play your own game, but remain adaptive.

At the start game, you should be fighting for the middle, and keep making units until you control more ground than your opponent. Then watch what units he starts to make and simply build your army around that. If he has speartons and ground units, go for the air. If he's in the air, go for archers, tanks to meatshield and wizards. If he has a wizard or a giant, make tank units and ninjas.

woa thanks man never thought of that appreciate it :)

badplayer
01-24-2013, 05:23 PM
heres another idea. at any point of the game, just think about what u can do to be able to destroy ur opponents statue

isgood
01-24-2013, 07:24 PM
Spearton surprise as in rushing 20 spears to statue? I use this a lot and one good way to counter is 2 walls plus resilience and make mines keep making walls. Also, if you have a better army when it comes, you could just ignore and attack their statue ( only if you are pretty near). Or you can do my stategty, which is start out with 3 swords, take tower male about 6 to 7 miners and keep getting speartons, when you have enough money for spearton buy it immediately and attack miners, when miners garrison attack statue, would kill spearton soon , but when it dies another would come out and attack , then keep repeating, went from 1350 to 1530, with this strategy. Sorry that description is unclear

DragonFrost
01-24-2013, 07:29 PM
Basically, get speartons and attack one at a time. When they die send another spearton. This could be improved:
Send waves of 5 speartons and do damage, retreat (get a few Merics), send another 5 speartons, etc. this is better because you still pressure their economy (or do damage to their army) while having no casualties.

StickWarrior14
01-26-2013, 10:33 AM
http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?50316-How-To-Beat-Spearton-First

This thread should help you against spearton surprise

Remember, 3 Swordwraths > 1 Spearton

bad badam
01-26-2013, 01:09 PM
http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?50316-How-To-Beat-Spearton-First

This thread should help you against spearton surprise

Remember, 3 Swordwraths > 1 Spearton
lets get this straight this is the strategy i USE and its not working anymore i need a new strategy or help serious help i have lost all the matches i have played today so far except for 1:(

jli
01-26-2013, 02:41 PM
http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?44389-Little-Quick-Strategies

Notice that you were using what Tecness called the "Quick Spearton". Try using one of the others on the list, especially the ones in green.

Tecness2
01-26-2013, 03:32 PM
http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?44389-Little-Quick-Strategies

Notice that you were using what Tecness called the "Quick Spearton". Try using one of the others on the list, especially the ones in green.

SOMEONE WAS ACTUALLY SMART ENOUGH TO FIND THAT. OH MY GOD.
Note: I will eventually update both the threads (chaos strategies and order ones) to help with the new patch. Until then, continue to practice until you feel comfortable with one or two strategies.

KrayZStick
01-26-2013, 04:01 PM
I'll just help with Starting Strategy.
Short Maps: Spawn an sword and archer, send them out. If they have their archer in front, have both units attack the archer (need good micro because archers only hit the person in the front).
Spawn another sword, (so you have an archer, 2swords, and 2 miners). Spawn another sword, now you can kill speartons if they come, now spam some miners. Have only 1 praying, the rest mining, Harrass enemies, make an army, win.
Long Maps: Spawn 3 miners, make 4 mine, 1 pray. Spawn a sword, send to mid, send another to help if there's resistance. Keep making miners. Harrass Enemy. Make a good army, win.

bad badam
01-26-2013, 04:51 PM
thanks all appreciate it :)

ShadowyWhisper
01-27-2013, 02:16 PM
SOMEONE WAS ACTUALLY SMART ENOUGH TO FIND THAT. OH MY GOD.
Note: I will eventually update both the threads (chaos strategies and order ones) to help with the new patch. Until then, continue to practice until you feel comfortable with one or two strategies.

What you call "smart" enough to find whatever it is that you posted is just simply:

Someone who has enough time. Really, I have about 2 hours of homework every night in addition to violin and extra Calculus practice-don't ask as my parents are a bit... ah, strict let's say.

Or is a complete computer nerd. Just looks for everything.

jli
01-27-2013, 02:44 PM
What you call "smart" enough to find whatever it is that you posted is just simply:

Someone who has enough time. Really, I have about 2 hours of homework every night in addition to violin and extra Calculus practice-don't ask as my parents are a bit... ah, strict let's say.

Or is a complete computer nerd. Just looks for everything.

Hey, same deal. Except for the Calculus stuff; that's a piece of cake.

As for finding the post. Wouldn't it be awesome if, like, there was this magical box... And you could, like, tell it what kind of posts you want to read about... And it would find them for you...

You know, like something that SEARCHES the forums...
Wouldn't that be just so handy dandy?

http://forums.stickpage.com/search.php?searchid=1343616

ShadowyWhisper
01-27-2013, 03:11 PM
Wow, you gained 180 points in one match? Impressive.