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ShadowyWhisper
01-29-2013, 02:08 PM
STARTER GUIDE

The beginning is key. You need to win the beginning to win the later game. So basically, on longer maps, attack with a Spearton. I know this doesn't always work but for now it does. Kill his miners. CONTINUE to do so. Keep pressuring him. Actually in this game, my opponent stood no chance, probably why he called me a prick at the end. Anyways, watch it.

http://pastebin.com/TrhKrSJX

lntrepid
01-29-2013, 06:56 PM
Quick Spearton is one of the worst starting strategies ever. Even on Grass Hills, I could beat it easily.

I can just kite until I have 3 swords with rage, and pwn your Spearton's backside. The obvious problems are :

High Cost

Venerable to Swarms

Once it dies, you've just lost all of your starting money and a few seconds that could be used for mining. I recently stopped spear massing lately, and with good reason.

ShadowyWhisper
01-29-2013, 07:34 PM
Well, most players don't start off with 3 SwordWrath anyways, and for my current rating it is perfectly fine. Also, Rage and 3 SwordWrath take more time than 1 Spearton to load.

This is what I usually do for everything except Grass Hills.

http://pastebin.com/f2ufgHME

WyzDM
01-29-2013, 07:54 PM
Why would you teach beginners how to play with a plan that in the long run is doomed to fail?

ShadowyWhisper
01-29-2013, 08:17 PM
... So I can beat them when they get to my level. I'm just kidding I would never do such a thing :)

Anyways, the Spearton Rush sometimes DOES work although I'm just posting this as an example. This one... http://pastebin.com/f2ufgHME may be more suited for beginners.

_Ai_
01-30-2013, 02:16 AM
It MIGHT be able to win, but not against me. Heck, even starting with a castle archer is better than this.

DragonFrost
01-30-2013, 07:29 AM
Aiman, you say that because you do start with a castle archer :p
But anyways, I GOT A++ and A- (rated by wyzdm on microing skills, oops this is offtopic)
About spearton rush, this will fail as you go higher in the rankings, it might work at whatever rating your re now, but be prepared to change it later. Also, what do you do in small maps?

ShadowyWhisper
01-30-2013, 01:45 PM
1 SwordWrath, 2 for castle. Later I get Rage/Spearton and some Allbowtrosses. Then finally Giants to finish off my opponents.

DragonFrost
01-30-2013, 03:15 PM
Rofl you start with 1 sword - 2 swords? (depending on map size) Well, for both map sizes I would get the middle.

ShadowyWhisper
01-30-2013, 04:04 PM
You do Sword/Archidon? Let me tell you that I would get 2 Spearton before you got 4 miners.

DragonFrost
01-30-2013, 04:05 PM
Sure... I would get the middle, 3 miners, 4 swords and 1 archidon by the time you you get 2 speartons.

ShadowyWhisper
01-30-2013, 04:22 PM
Target Archidon first, and Spearton are down maybe by 5/6 health. Really no competition against 4 SwordWrath, and Rage takes 60 sec to load.

DragonFrost
01-30-2013, 04:25 PM
Are you seriously thinking that my archidon would just stand and let you attack it? Also, i never mentioned rage.

jli
01-30-2013, 09:22 PM
Shadowy you would lose.
Target archidon -> archidon kites the shit out of you with 4 swordwrath at your back
Target swordwrath -> all units target one spearton, 1 swordwrath dies -> 3 swords + archer

ShadowyWhisper
01-31-2013, 01:21 PM
First of all, it's two Spearton by the time you have 4 Swords and 1 Archidon.

Otherwise, with 1, it's 1 SwordWrath 1 Archidon. Also, the Spearton runs faster than the archer. I've tried it in practice, and it works.

DragonFrost
01-31-2013, 05:04 PM
>.> At least 2 swords and an archer by the time you get a spearton, many of my opponents who spearton rush die.

ShadowyWhisper
01-31-2013, 05:09 PM
Well actually... we are exactly equal economically, actually I am ahead by 50 gold. I'll have a Sword as well by the time you get one.

DragonFrost
01-31-2013, 06:46 PM
Whatever you say :/

jli
01-31-2013, 06:52 PM
Here's my crappy replay where I play against an account my friend let me borrow.

http://pastebin.com/Wn9Vm4Am

Tell me where you'd get the advantage.

ShadowyWhisper
01-31-2013, 06:55 PM
OH MY GOD HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS, IT'S ONLY FOR GRASS HILLS. And also, your friend sucks as he didn't target Archidon and did this on CASTLE. Literally can't do anything worse.

This is exactly what I mean.

You get Spearton on Grass Hills, you have 1 Archidon 1 Sword, and if you have 2 Swords then so do I, and I kill your Archidon

1 Spearton 5/6 health and 1 Sword
Against 1 SwordWrath 1/2 health and one full health Sword.

jli
01-31-2013, 07:07 PM
lol you read wrong. My friend let me borrow the account (he's just starting out and sucks even more than you say :D). I'm playing against myself to test the efficacy of the quick spearton.

Ah, I missed the grass hills part because it got pushed back to page 1, sorry about that.

In that case I have no more complaints as I don't open with sword + archer on Grass Hills xD

DragonFrost
01-31-2013, 07:16 PM
Same, I never said I start with 1 archidon 1 sword in grass hills (or any big map)

ShadowyWhisper
01-31-2013, 07:51 PM
Yes, the Spearton is not the best, even for Grass Hills, but for my level it helps finish off your opponent quickly. At least for this account. On my other account if I used it I'd be done in 40 seconds.

DragonFrost
01-31-2013, 08:34 PM
>.> sure, it works now, but what I'm saying, is when you get to our ratings (1800+) that is not going to work...

ShadowyWhisper
02-01-2013, 05:19 AM
FOR GRASS HILLS OH MY GOD!!!

DragonFrost
02-01-2013, 07:57 AM
IT's NOT GOING TO WORK! No matter what map size.

_Ai_
02-01-2013, 09:23 AM
Heck, why not start with an alba?

DragonFrost
02-01-2013, 10:46 AM
Because that sucks. Putting you in a massive disadvantage in economy, while the opponent can just buy a few archidon. The early eclipsor doesnt work either, although it is cheaper. Reason why it wouldn't work (say against a 2 crawlers 2 miners start) is because the crawlers can retreat, then they buy a dead and pwn the wingadon (crawlers as tanks)

_Ai_
02-01-2013, 10:57 AM
Because that sucks. Putting you in a massive disadvantage in economy, while the opponent can just buy a few archidon. The early eclipsor doesnt work either, although it is cheaper. Reason why it wouldn't work (say against a 2 crawlers 2 miners start) is because the crawlers can retreat, then they buy a dead and pwn the wingadon (crawlers as tanks)

Uh....That was really just sarcasm.

DragonFrost
02-01-2013, 11:19 AM
>.> You fooled me.

Jombloxx
02-01-2013, 12:02 PM
posting for an 300th post :3

ShadowyWhisper
02-01-2013, 01:25 PM
This should be removed. I don't want this on my Thread.

Jombloxx
02-01-2013, 01:28 PM
This should be removed. I don't want this on my Thread.

D; why dont u like posts ); bad boy XD

ShadowyWhisper
02-01-2013, 01:28 PM
Heck, why not start with an alba?

Hey! Why don't I get 1500 gold with 2 miners at the beginning. DOOOOY.

Jombloxx
02-01-2013, 01:31 PM
Hey! Why don't I get 1500 gold with 2 miners at the beginning. DOOOOY.

Hey, why my Shockwave keeps making me a crazy bunny and im not changing the browser?

ShadowyWhisper
02-01-2013, 01:39 PM
... Please stay on topic. People have been banned for being off topic before, you know.

Jombloxx
02-01-2013, 01:43 PM
But theres nothing to talk about - ppl post threads about useless things here and there.I have seen threads like this everywhere.(i cant show u 1 LOL).:) Kapish!

ShadowyWhisper
02-01-2013, 03:34 PM
"Well, if we didn't fill up the whole page with random posts, that wouldn't happen", says ShadowyWhisper indignantly.

RecklessRichy
02-03-2013, 01:05 PM
Nice this helped me alot

ShadowyWhisper
02-03-2013, 02:53 PM
Glad to hear that. Also check out my other post, Offensive Strategies: Guarenteed to Win.

PsychoticCheez
02-03-2013, 03:11 PM
OH MY GOD HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS, IT'S ONLY FOR GRASS HILLS.

The fact it's grass hills makes it worse for the Spearton rush. You'd have better chance on a smaller map.


Yes, the Spearton is not the best, even for Grass Hills, but for my level it helps finish off your opponent quickly.

If you're going to make a "guide" and give an example video, with a spearton rush in that video, and the above is your opinion, then please, I beg, make this explicit.

KrayZStick
02-03-2013, 03:19 PM
I knew it was called Grass Hills.
Anyway, never rush on big maps. Spam some miners like a pro ^^

_Ai_
02-03-2013, 10:55 PM
One thing I noticed is that they spam miners that have until 2 rows of gold

DragonFrost
02-04-2013, 07:00 AM
Never spam miners at the start... Your army will be behind the opponent, and they will have pressured your defenseless miners.

_Ai_
02-04-2013, 07:44 AM
Never spam miners at the start... Your army will be behind the opponent, and they will have pressured your defenseless miners.

....For me, either they smart enough to do that or they lose lol

ShadowyWhisper
02-04-2013, 02:08 PM
Never spam miners at the start... Your army will be behind the opponent, and they will have pressured your defenseless miners.

So you want to do this with Sword/Archer?

http://pastebin.com/F3310pKH

PsychoticCheez
02-04-2013, 02:26 PM
So you want to do this with Sword/Archer?

http://pastebin.com/F3310pKH

That was played so terribly on his part. Invalid example.

Likewise there are other better examples of sword/archer vs 2 miners 1 sword on a short/med map, where both players play somewhat decently.

ShadowyWhisper
02-04-2013, 02:51 PM
Yeah I know just wanted to annoy Fr0st. How do you use Sword/Archer against Spearton Rush on Castle, if they Spearton has already spawned?

jli
02-04-2013, 03:07 PM
Retreat and regroup.

Triss
02-04-2013, 03:10 PM
*Retreat to the castle.
*Enemy started to attack statue.
*Get out and start to attack him.

ShadowyWhisper
02-04-2013, 03:51 PM
But you don't have much gold, and by the time you get back all you'll have are 2 miners, 2 Swords, and 1 Archer...