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stickman311
02-10-2013, 03:32 AM
I just found out that i beat every chaos i played on a short map, only one loss(from galeforce) and one was very close.I have no comments on grass hills.Spoillers:I'm a rusher and i don't use sword archer.Please challenge me.Well i haven't played wyz,CC,mami or demon this year so i don't really know how they play.

uberman
02-10-2013, 04:09 AM
I just found out that i beat every chaos i played on a short map, only one loss(from galeforce) and one was very close.I have no comments on grass hills.Spoillers:I'm a rusher and i don't use sword archer.Please challenge me.Well i haven't played wyz,CC,mami or demon this year so i don't really know how they play.

You should play Tec's chaos.
Chaos struggles against swords rush. There was one game we played which was close. But the short stage chaos is screwed.

stickman311
02-10-2013, 04:27 AM
haven't played him.i don't even know his code

uberman
02-10-2013, 08:03 AM
haven't played him.i don't even know his code

Maybe if you rush him a few times he may persuade the Devs that chaos sucks reall bad vs swords, and that chaos should be given some extra means, as crawlers are simply not a viable defence - unless the chaos player has superb micro skills.
It should not be almost impossible for an equally skilled player with crawlers to defend against an equally skilled player with swords - IMO.

ShadowyWhisper
02-10-2013, 08:11 AM
Well Crawlers have regeneration which heals them really quick, so you can sort of "kite" them to regain health, then face the Swords. But if they have Rage it's all over.

stickman311
02-10-2013, 08:37 AM
Maybe if you rush him a few times he may persuade the Devs that chaos sucks reall bad vs swords, and that chaos should be given some extra means, as crawlers are simply not a viable defence - unless the chaos player has superb micro skills.
It should not be almost impossible for an equally skilled player with crawlers to defend against an equally skilled player with swords - IMO.

I just lost to mami and CC cuz they deafeated my swords with crawlers.i didn't use rage. i think its a waste of one miner

DragonFrost
02-10-2013, 08:41 AM
Swords with rage is the bane of chaos. But say, a few swords without rage vs a few crawlers and 4 bombers. The swords don't want it group together, or else they all get blown up. But if they split up, crawlers can pick them off one at a time. Thus, order is in a dilemma.

stickman311
02-10-2013, 08:44 AM
the bombers go all seperate so i don't care and i die

DragonFrost
02-10-2013, 08:45 AM
Your post made no sense. Care to explain?

stickman311
02-10-2013, 08:46 AM
they just had one bomber

uberman
02-10-2013, 08:47 AM
Swords with rage is the bane of chaos. But say, a few swords without rage vs a few crawlers and 4 bombers. The swords don't want it group together, or else they all get blown up. But if they split up, crawlers can pick them off one at a time. Thus, order is in a dilemma.

Yes.
But its a problem before chaos has time to build the 4 bombers.
If order attacks while building swords, say when oder has 3 swords, chaos has 3 crawlers (time to build is the same) as order adds swords, chaos can either add bombs OR crawlers - not both. It takes a while to get the 4 bombs, during which time order will kill your crawlers (due to out numbering them and swords are stronger than crawlers 1 on 1) If order garisons, he has no income, and the situation gets worse.

The only way to get the 4 bombs out is to defend against larger numbers of stronger units. That requires the chaos player is better than the order player at micro (as its technically not possible to do).
This normally means using miners to fight - but this then means no income!

DragonFrost
02-10-2013, 08:49 AM
Yes.
But its a problem before chaos has time to build the 4 bombers.
If order attacks while building swords, say when oder has 3 swords, chaos has 3 crawlers (time to build is the same) as order adds swords, chaos can either add bombs OR crawlers - not both. It takes a while to get the 4 bombs, during which time order will kill your crawlers (due to out numbering them and swords are stronger than crawlers 1 on 1) If order garisons, he has no income, and the situation gets worse.

The only way to get the 4 bombs out is to defend against larger numbers of stronger units. That requires the chaos player is better than the order player at micro (as its technically not possible to do).
This normally means using miners to fight - but this then means no income!
Now chaos is in a dilemma :/.
How about early Eclipsor?

Triss
02-10-2013, 08:51 AM
Chaos are strong, just remember to make this combo:
2 Juggerknights
2 Eclipsors
1 Marrowkai.

That simple thing can kill a decent army of Order.

DragonFrost
02-10-2013, 08:53 AM
O.o 5 units can defeat a whole order army???

stickman311
02-10-2013, 08:55 AM
6 spears would win this com

Triss
02-10-2013, 08:57 AM
My 6 swords+2 archers fight against this combo.
Result?
None of my soldiers are left, but they don't have any casualities.

stickman311
02-10-2013, 08:58 AM
6 spears rush your statue

DragonFrost
02-10-2013, 09:00 AM
My 6 swords+2 archers fight against this combo.
Result?
None of my soldiers are left, but they don't have any casualities.

Of course. What they do: kill the archidons, then retreat except for eclipsors, they kill your swords :p

Galeforce
02-10-2013, 06:47 PM
Whoo, I kinda got a shoutout. :P

Rushing Chaos is effective on short stages. I've learned to prevent it, but I still get caught every once in a while.

DragonFrost
02-10-2013, 07:19 PM
Whoo, I kinda got a shoutout. :P

Rushing Chaos is effective on short stages. I've learned to prevent it, but I still get caught every once in a while.

Is your prevention method using miners to attack?

stickman311
02-10-2013, 09:12 PM
its crawlers defeat swords i think

stickman311
02-10-2013, 09:23 PM
i'll go spear

DragonFrost
02-11-2013, 06:59 AM
Thn they'll rape you with crawlers and eclipsors. A single spearton will FALL. Compared to 3 swords with rage, who could dish out massive damage (make sure to spread yourselves out when bombers come)

WyzDM
02-11-2013, 08:29 AM
Short stages are always a challenge. My code's in the description. I'll be on in a few hours (in class right now).

ShadowyWhisper
02-11-2013, 03:31 PM
Thn they'll rape you with crawlers and eclipsors. A single spearton will FALL. Compared to 3 swords with rage, who could dish out massive damage (make sure to spread yourselves out when bombers come)

Why do people say "rape"??? Anyways, I left my game to get a snack, my house is really big so it took pretty long to get to the fridge, and when I got back my opponent made 80 bombers. It was pretty cool to see my Allbowtross die. And that he was complaining that he killed off all his miners and I had 2 Spearton left lol.

stickman311
02-11-2013, 08:36 PM
Thn they'll rape you with crawlers and eclipsors. A single spearton will FALL. Compared to 3 swords with rage, who could dish out massive damage (make sure to spread yourselves out when bombers come)

actually their a continuous stream

Bladed Fire
02-11-2013, 10:54 PM
I just fought with ArchyBeats that uses Chaos and masses Eclipsors which I lose...

stickman311
02-11-2013, 10:55 PM
haven't fought him

_Ai_
02-11-2013, 10:56 PM
I just fought with ArchyBeats that uses Chaos and masses Eclipsors which I lose...

Hmm...Interesting. I'd like to fight him.

stickman311
02-11-2013, 10:58 PM
well i've beat alot of people who mass eclipsors

Bladed Fire
02-11-2013, 11:07 PM
How? Mass Albowtross?

_Ai_
02-11-2013, 11:08 PM
No, mass giants

Bladed Fire
02-11-2013, 11:10 PM
LLLLLOOOOLLLL? Does that even work? Oh, mass Shadowrath and that's all...?

stickman311
02-12-2013, 12:03 AM
HEY!!! ON THE FIRST PAGE I SAID :RUSH

Bladed Fire
02-12-2013, 01:36 AM
Oh, rush. What if they have bombers, a LOT of them.

stickman311
02-12-2013, 02:26 AM
err, it'll take alot of bombers to kill a spear

DragonFrost
02-12-2013, 07:18 AM
err, it'll take alot of bombers to kill a spear

Let's say 25? Well, no matter. However many, that's how many I'm buying if I beat you. Then when all your spears group together, BOOM!

stickman311
02-12-2013, 11:08 PM
Let's say 25? Well, no matter. However many, that's how many I'm buying if I beat you. Then when all your spears group together, BOOM!

by the time you get that i'll get 8 spears and put it ONE BY ONE and until yu bomb one of them i'll reform and attack you

DragonFrost
02-13-2013, 07:19 AM
by the time you get that i'll get 8 spears and put it ONE BY ONE and until yu bomb one of them i'll reform and attack you

If you go one by one I'll pick you off with my other units lol

Azxc
02-13-2013, 07:27 AM
by the time you have 25 bombers, I should have a magikill XD
*magikill casts poison*
BOMBOBMBMBOBMBOMBMBMOM!!!! lol

stickman311
02-15-2013, 09:36 PM
actually before you even make 10 bombers i would have made a continous stream of spears