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ShadowyWhisper
03-06-2013, 07:38 PM
What are the best openings?

I know for Medium Maps, I do 2 Miners/1 Sword. The first 2 miners already placed go on gold, the 3rd on mana, 4th on gold. I buy another Sword as soon as possible, same as Rage.

Some others include 1 Archer/1 Miner. Place Archidon at base until SwordWrath loads from the first gold intake. Then attack.

This works better than 1 Sword/1 Archer right off the bat.

2 Swords/1 Miner. I usually don't do this. Does the 3rd miner go on gold or mana?

Any other openings?

FailingAtFailing
03-06-2013, 07:46 PM
I do the following:

Short map
Archer + Sword
First 150 gold is another sword

Medium Map
Archer + Sword
First 150 gold is a miner

Long map
Archer + Miner
First 150 gold is a miner if few forces are encountered, sword if archer and sword is encountered.

ShadowyWhisper
03-07-2013, 05:33 PM
Hmm... What do you do on Swamp if you encounter Early Spartan?

jli
03-07-2013, 05:50 PM
Well the first 150 gold is another sword. Your third batch of 150 gold should be coming in soon, which gives you a sword in the queue. That's 3 swords + 1 archer > 1 spearton.

Now, of course, I have no idea what you'd do if you encountered a Spartan. Those guys are violent.

THEFORCE
03-07-2013, 05:57 PM
I was just going to make a thread like this....

ShadowyWhisper
03-07-2013, 07:59 PM
Well the first 150 gold is another sword. Your third batch of 150 gold should be coming in soon, which gives you a sword in the queue. That's 3 swords + 1 archer > 1 spearton.

Now, of course, I have no idea what you'd do if you encountered a Spartan. Those guys are violent.

No. On Swamp, I only have time for 2 Swords. My opponent also makes 2 Swords.

jli
03-07-2013, 08:08 PM
Well, ok, I lied *a bit*. You need to retreat (into garrison). You don't lose much time, and about 5 secs later you get your 3rd sword.

Trust me, this works, I've faced quick spearton many times.
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blu3blitz
03-07-2013, 10:24 PM
doesn't matter speartons are still dominant for paying themselves and harrasing especially in the start

jli
03-08-2013, 06:52 AM
doesn't matter speartons are still dominant for paying themselves and harrasing especially in the start

...Trust me, they aren't. Once your opponent gets rage, your spearton is dead. And then you've wasted 450g and 50m, which your opponent spent on two swordwrath (still alive), one miner, and rage. So, you're behind economically and militarily.

_Ai_
03-08-2013, 08:20 AM
Speartons are possibly the worst to start out with. Unless you battle nubs.

ShadowyWhisper
03-08-2013, 02:01 PM
I never use Archidon opening, I can always beat Spearton with 2 Sword/1 Miner or 2 Miners/1 Sword opening, it just happened on my Alt I tried to use Archidon. I was wondering how you counter it, because I went into Garrison, my opponent had made another Sword, killed my Archidon, and then his Spearton was almost dead and went into Garrison. By then, he had 3 more Swords. I lost.

jli
03-08-2013, 02:03 PM
The fact that your archer died means that you didn't kite well enough.

blu3blitz
03-08-2013, 09:59 PM
i dont start out with speartons mind you

_Ai_
03-09-2013, 04:05 AM
Archer sword start are the best start to counter campers.

DragonFrost
03-09-2013, 07:48 AM
Archer sword start are the best start to counter campers.

Are campers turtles? If so, 1 sword is the best counter.

Jombloxx
03-09-2013, 07:54 AM
Archer sword start are the best start to counter campers.

What if castle archers on the way?

DragonFrost
03-09-2013, 08:17 AM
What if castle archers on the way?

That's why 1 sword or 1 archer (not both) is the best.

Jombloxx
03-09-2013, 08:20 AM
That's why 1 sword or 1 archer (not both) is the best.

anyway i liek this start

Triss
03-09-2013, 08:27 AM
I like 2 swords+1 miner better.
They could counter sword+archer set, and they also beat speartons.
Azxc pwned me using this way when I used sword+archer combo.

DragonFrost
03-09-2013, 08:28 AM
I like 2 swords+1 miner better.
They could counter sword+archer set, and they also beat speartons.
Azxc pwned me using this way when I used sword+archer combo.

How can 2 swords 1 miner beat sword/archer?

Triss
03-09-2013, 08:30 AM
How can 2 swords 1 miner beat sword/archer?
1 sword focus on the archer, while the other sword focus on the sword.
And when the archer died, he wins.

_Ai_
03-09-2013, 08:33 AM
How can 2 swords 1 miner beat sword/archer?

With absolutely awesome micro.

ShadowyWhisper
03-09-2013, 10:02 AM
I use 1 Sword/2 Miners usually. Sometimes, on Castle I use 1 Archidon/Miner.