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Invincitron
04-24-2013, 06:28 PM
Hi reader,

So I've been wonder how to:
-Stop the Swordwrath + Archidon start on Castle http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1021992&version=1.60
-The best way to win in a Chaos to Chaos fight http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1021688&version=1.60
-How to defeat FattyGoat's strategy http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1021495&version=1.60
-How to win if your enemy starts like this (I wanted to try 2 Miners and 2 Bombers, I did the wrong thing, sorry. But please tell me how to win against this strategy http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1005294&version=1.60

A message for Hewitt and Tecness2: Guys, I'm sorry if this may seem useless to you. But this thread is very useful to me, I will learn from it.

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uberman
04-25-2013, 01:39 AM
Hi reader,

So I've been wonder how to:
-Stop the Swordwrath + Archidon start on Castle http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1021992&version=1.60
-The best way to win in a Chaos to Chaos fight http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1021688&version=1.60
-How to defeat FattyGoat's strategy http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1021495&version=1.60
-How to win if your enemy starts like this (I wanted to try 2 Miners and 2 Bombers, I did the wrong thing, sorry. But please tell me how to win against this strategy http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1005294&version=1.60

A message for Hewitt and Tecness2: Guys, I'm sorry if this may seem useless to you. But this thread is very useful to me, I will learn from it.

.:Invincitron:.

I would be shocked if Tec or Hewitt give you grief for this thread - its a perfect topic for the forum. I have not seen the replays, as I am at 'work' and cant open SE here. But

1. Stop the Swordwrath + Archidon start on Castle
Method 1 - pro method :P
start two crawlers and 2 miners. All miners on gold.
Defend your first crawler from his early archer - his big advantage here is that he has two units which construct symultaneously, but you have to queue and so you only have one crawler vs his sword and archer early on. Dont let him kill your first crawler, or its all but 'good game'.
You need to let the miners tank the archer damage long enough to spawn your third crawler and you need 3 crawlers on good health. Let him hit a miner, then send it to garison before he kills it - do not pull the other miners into garison, only the ones he damages. as soon as he's attacking another miner, get the wounded ones back into production.
Charge past his sword with the 3 crawlers and attack his archer - either he stands and tanks 3 crawlers while his sword comes to fight or he runs.
You need to kill his archer, if you do its virtually 'good game' even if you lose one crawler doing so.

For micro, if his sword is helping his archer stand and fight rather than running - pull away the crawler taking damage so he has to either split his target with his attacks (archer can only hit closer crawler) or attack a different crawler, or move his units (i.e. not attack for a moment) while your other two crawlers hit his archer.

If he runs ignore the sword and chase down the archer with all 3 crawlers. If his sword chases, it wont catch up (archer and crawlers are faster than his sword).
If he sends his sword to attack your miners, GOOD! get all your miners to kill or wound it, so your three crawlers can finish it off easily after they finish chasing down his archer. Pull into garison any wounded miner, and leave the crawlers to automatically hunt down the archer. Keep an eye on the mini-map to make sure the crawlers are still on the archer, and bring them back to kill the sword when the archer is dead or in garison.

If he kites/runs to his base, thats fine because you survived the early advantage he had - now you took away the pressure and can get bombs/crawlers in production. You have 4 early miners while he has only 2 - so its all good!

method 2 - play it safe
start with 2 miners and reserve 200 gold. As soon as the first miners return, buy castle dead.
No more sword and archer problem.
He has center tower and 2 miners, you have 4 miners - so he has a significant military advantage but he cant use it, while you have a slight economic advantage.

He is probably going to realize he cant attack with his units, and so he will try improve his economy so that he can start to get out spears or tower-spawn to deal with your castle dead. You would probably want to go for military to get him off the tower - IF you get the tower away from him, its going to be a big advantage. Either get 3 crawlers or 1 crawler and 2 bombs to kill his archer or force him to retreat off the tower. Once you get him off the tower, may be a good time to try get 3 bombs and go visit his miners :) If he has put up a wall (unlikely as a moment ago he was on the offence) just keep the bombs in reserve behind your crawlers to protect the tower.

I will try offer answers to the others later, need to do something now (work!)

Invincitron
04-25-2013, 08:36 AM
Hi uberman,

Thanks, I would love to test it cause IDK some parts you said. Your name and # in SE?

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lequan1910
04-25-2013, 11:27 PM
I lost several battles with Sword+Archer starting and found best way to ace it:
Start: Miners go for gold, 2 crawlers 2 miners. First Crawler go to middle and check. Archer + Sword => run back. As the time 2nd crawler come out, u have enough gold for 3rd crawler now. If he pushes to ur base, 3 crawlers+1 miner would finish his sword quickly. Make 2 bombers right after 3rd crawler coming out and hide behind ur crawlers as ur army runs to his Archer. Or u can kill 2 Swordmen if u like with 2 bombers (2 bombers + 2 hits from crawlers would take care Swordman)

Economic Advantage: 2 bombers 150 gold vs. archer 300 gold . Check :)
2 bombers 150 gold vs. 2 sword 250 gold. Check :)

Invincitron
04-26-2013, 08:44 AM
Hi lequan1910,

You sure this works on Castle? And if you fight enemy Sword while they have Archidon support, you might lose. Not sure if getting the 3rd Crawler instead of 2 Bombers is worth it but okay.

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lequan1910
04-26-2013, 10:53 AM
Did u read my reply actually? 3 Crawlers + 1 Miner would finish his sword at ur base. At this time u have 3 Crawler + 2 bomber to chase his Archer :) Or if he didn't chase to ur base, u can wait for 2nd bombers and chase his Archer while making more bombers to support ur Crawlers in case his Swordman pushing back

Invincitron
04-26-2013, 11:21 PM
Hi reader,

And also I need help on people massing Swords and Turtlers.
Swords - http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1038190&version=1.60
Turtlers - http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1038045&version=1.60
More Turtlers - http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1021495&version=1.60
Something - http://www.stickempires.com/play?replay=replay1038190&version=1.60

You don't have to watch em all now, but I need help fast.

Fixed 1. Need help still!

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asdfstick
04-27-2013, 11:52 AM
For the sword/archer counter, I usually have a group of 2 bombs and 2 crawlers. I set them to attack the archer and the bombers catch the archer in time and kill him. Then, you know, do lots of micro for the swordwrath and won ze battle.
For swords, it depends on the opponents intelligence and your intelligence. If the opponent:
seperates swords to avoid bombers:Option 1: lure them into a trap. Have a decent # of crawlers and bombers. Sometimes the opponent will attack your miners, if the opponent attacks miners and that's all he does, then use those bombers to take out the swords if in a group attack a single miner at a time. Option 2: go for his miners. Have a decent # of crawlers and bombers. Use them to attack your opponent's miners. DON'T USE THE BOMBERS TO KILL MINERS, keep them secure. Usually the opponent will send his group of swords at your group attacking the miners. The opponent might forget to seperate his swords from the bombers that should still be there. Use the bombers to kill off the swords attacking the crawlers attacking the miners. Should render the opponent useless for a while....

Doesn't seperate swords to avoid bombers: use 3-4 bombers, you're done.