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Thread: OVO Castle: MMS Early Spear Strategy (1.8k-2k rating)

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    @ase
    This isnt a total cheese strat like spear cheese where if countered, it leads to an instant gg. Its a strat where most do not know how to counter, but even if they do, it just gives them a slight advantage in mid game, not a massive one, you can still win if you have the better macro in mid game.
    This guide also helps explain some decently good mid game macros for castle.
    The point is, if a 1800 player masters this strategy, he can have a good win rate on castle vs other 1800 players.

    @gaismail
    SAS heavily depends on luck, presence of lag and micro. Sometimes, even if you have better micro skills, one mistake/lag can cost you the game. I prefer MMS because its fun, can bring me to mid game which allows my macro to shine and win me the game. Sometimes, if your micro is better by a bit, but macro much better, its better to drag it to mid game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josephong View Post
    @ase
    This isnt a total cheese strat like spear cheese where if countered, it leads to an instant gg. Its a strat where most do not know how to counter, but even if they do, it just gives them a slight advantage in mid game, not a massive one, you can still win if you have the better macro in mid game.
    This guide also helps explain some decently good mid game macros for castle.
    The point is, if a 1800 player masters this strategy, he can have a good win rate on castle vs other 1800 players.

    @gaismail
    SAS heavily depends on luck, presence of lag and micro. Sometimes, even if you have better micro skills, one mistake/lag can cost you the game. I prefer MMS because its fun, can bring me to mid game which allows my macro to shine and win me the game. Sometimes, if your micro is better by a bit, but macro much better, its better to drag it to mid game.
    What if I just dodge CA hits with my archer and harass your eco? :^)

    If you're making it to mid/late game on Castle you did something wrong lol


    Most people will probably just stack archers and rush a spear and then you're kinda done for
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    At this point I give up explaining and Ill just offer to play you.

    I can play evenings today or Thursday or Friday GMT time.
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    @skeleton okay then whats your code? And which timezone are you in?

    @ase that requires a super high level of micro rarely rarely found in that rating range. And also ping needs to be low too. Also wen you mean stack archers, how many are you talking about? I doubt that they can stack archers and rush a spear out before i can, i'll probably attack them with my spear + sword when they are still building the spear. If they try to rush with spears and do the same thing as me, i have the benefit of the ca. When you say most people. what rating range are you referring to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josephong View Post
    @ase
    This isnt a total cheese strat like spear cheese where if countered, it leads to an instant gg. Its a strat where most do not know how to counter, but even if they do, it just gives them a slight advantage in mid game, not a massive one, you can still win if you have the better macro in mid game.
    This guide also helps explain some decently good mid game macros for castle.
    The point is, if a 1800 player masters this strategy, he can have a good win rate on castle vs other 1800 players.

    @gaismail
    SAS heavily depends on luck, presence of lag and micro. Sometimes, even if you have better micro skills, one mistake/lag can cost you the game. I prefer MMS because its fun, can bring me to mid game which allows my macro to shine and win me the game. Sometimes, if your micro is better by a bit, but macro much better, its better to drag it to mid game.
    SAS doesn't depend on luck. It depends on skill. And like Ase said, anyone could easily dodge your CA and screw your miners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISyncErrorI View Post
    SAS doesn't depend on luck. It depends on skill. And like Ase said, anyone could easily dodge your CA and screw your miners.
    I'd say its more luck based than skill based due to the dodgy hitboxing and the relatively high frequency of g not working, archer for some reason not raising bow, sword stabbing as oppose to swiping etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josephong View Post
    @skeleton okay then whats your code? And which timezone are you in?
    UTC+0

    I'm Skeletonwarlord and my code is 527
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    Quote Originally Posted by Josephong View Post
    @skeleton okay then whats your code? And which timezone are you in?

    @ase that requires a super high level of micro rarely rarely found in that rating range. And also ping needs to be low too. Also wen you mean stack archers, how many are you talking about? I doubt that they can stack archers and rush a spear out before i can, i'll probably attack them with my spear + sword when they are still building the spear. If they try to rush with spears and do the same thing as me, i have the benefit of the ca. When you say most people. what rating range are you referring to?
    They can kite your spearton a ton and then use miners to murder that spear
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    @gaismail
    Not everyone has the micro ability to do it. Esp not in the sub 2k ratings. And even if they do, there is ping to consider. With zero ping vs ai, it can work, but in non ideal conditions, you can be screwed over very easily. One wrong move/a bit of lag and you get hit, and the sword can wrestle away tower possession. Castle archer kiting is not a reliable strat.

    @zomar
    So true man. Many times i had enemy arrows fly through/just above or below my sword as im running away and kill my archer lol

    @ase
    They can't really kite your spearton a ton as the map is super short and they probably have only around 2 archers. The damage done is quite low such that the spearton can rush in, kill swords/miners and run back out alive. Futhermore you have archers covering your retreat, which makes it harder to forward kite you as you escape. This isn't the 3 long maps where spearton can't attack when there's 3 archers.
    Also the spear is supported by a sword, meaning that enemy miners/swords can be killed much more easily. If i see the miner swarm coming i can run in circles and wait for my archers to arrive lol. Probably can still pick a miner off.

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    Well the kiting won't do much damage if they have 2-3 archers. And having the miners try to fight stops them from mining. The spearton can avoid damage from the miners anyways.

    This is a pretty neat strategy, it isn't the same old sword archer.

    Josephong, what's your code? And if you don't mind, I'd like to see the results of you vs skeleton.
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