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    and flipping that on it's head, having a v means you can have 1 extra unit of the other side, and the other side loses a unit of theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Ai_ View Post
    and flipping that on it's head, having a v means you can have 1 extra unit of the other side, and the other side loses a unit of theirs.
    actually you can't, this is the problem

    2 Ninjas forces the V to not take control of an enemy unit, because the v is only safe outside of possess mode. A single ninja and the V can't possess a unit for more than a brief moment, and the v can't engage in to reach the enemy spellcaster back line because the ninja will kill him if he gets in that close.

    A v is great for finishing off a game or insta winning a DM match where in Order can't get out ninjas in time, but once Order has ninjas out your V is just a mobile free tank creator that can flash away from stuff.

    It becomes a trade of 1350|100 for 450|150 and both units are made useless. Even the more expensive two ninja hard counter of 900|300 is still cheaper and less of an eco drain (remember Vs halt all other unit production for ele) than the V is.



    Honestly the only use for a V I've found in non won games is using the threat of making it to force my opponent to either bring out a second giant before using either or to bring out ninjas into a situation where I don't let them get any use.
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    V's are pretty strong, get a hold of a a medusa or a mage and you can do some serious work. Just comes down to micro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HashBrownTrials View Post
    V's are pretty strong, get a hold of a a medusa or a mage and you can do some serious work. Just comes down to micro.
    I would absolutely love for my opponent to be stupid enough to buy a Mage before buying Ninjas or to buy only the one Mage so I can steal it and hold a monopoly. My opponent is not that stupid.

    Medusa, yeah, flashing Vs can make for some cool plays, but not against Magikill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HashBrownTrials View Post
    V's are pretty strong, get a hold of a a medusa or a mage and you can do some serious work. Just comes down to micro.
    Just to mention, V lose 1v1 against medusa
    Stone face is slightly faster than possess. So if elemental player is trying to possess medusa with V directly, and chaos player at the same time target stone face to V, V will die.
    Marrowkai has longer range than possess, and V cannot possess a marrow once the reap animation starts.
    V may win 1v1 against ninja, but not 1v2 or even 1v3.

    The only high power unit that can be easily possessed is magikill.

    So Medusa/Marrow/Ninja > V > magikill , this is my experience. Spent a really long time to master my V gameplay, and still, I don't want to use it in any serious matches.
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    No. V can flash in to then insta possess Medusa and in practise the Chaos player can't select the V in time to stone it.

    This of course changes the moment Chaos has a Marrowkai or a second Medusa, at which point the V goes back to being very expensive bonus hp generation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HashBrownTrials View Post
    Not if you know how to use it.
    Still gimpy as hell and mostly not favoured in their matchups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeletonxf View Post
    No. V can flash in to then insta possess Medusa and in practise the Chaos player can't select the V in time to stone it.

    This of course changes the moment Chaos has a Marrowkai or a second Medusa, at which point the V goes back to being very expensive bonus hp generation.
    not really. First, V has to use 2 spells , medusa only needs to use 1 spell.
    Second, medusa can still target V even V it is out of range when flashing (use the arrow key to scout and select) , so by the time V flash , it immediately dies.

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