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    Jesus Azure, what took you so long?

    420AceDrake was doing shit like this way before PitchEnder and you did nothing about it.


    Clarifications:
    - Perhaps you should clarify what exactly is "at any time". Is it a month? Until the poll sinks the the bottom and out of the first page? Clarify pls.

    - Also, what denotes an "active poll"? Is it the same as an "active thread"? What if your poll hasn't been posted on for awhile and its obviously sunken when suddenly this low-post noob posts in it within the 1 week period? Is that considered as "activity"?

    - What is defined as "obscene"? If I polled (as I've done before) whether or not the Batcomputer can fit all the porn in the world, would that be obscene? If I polled (also done before) a "hottest dude" contest where all the users pics are shirtless, is that considered obscene?

    - What is deeemd "bad" by you mods? Seriously, because things have been happening in this place and nobody's stepped in ever. So it would be nice if you could clarify it.
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    - Perhaps you should clarify what exactly is "at any time". Is it a month? Until the poll sinks the the bottom and out of the first page? Clarify pls.
    The phrasing is "at a time," and what that refers to is being active. I consider a thread active as long as the poll can still be voted on. After the poll has closed, then the rules applying to bumping threads apply as well, in which case I will lock and bin them.

    So, if there are currently two "VS" polls with active polls, any others will immediately be removed, and no others may be made until either one of the current ones are done or removed in some way.

    - Also, what denotes an "active poll"? Is it the same as an "active thread"? What if your poll hasn't been posted on for awhile and its obviously sunken when suddenly this low-post noob posts in it within the 1 week period? Is that considered as "activity"?
    As noted in my previous clarification, I'll consider a thread active so long as the poll is running. That said, if a poll is clearly dying of inactivity and it has some ridiculous voting period, once activity has ceased for a suitable amount of time (I'll say 14 days/two weeks just so there's a number), then it'll be considered dead and bumping rules apply.

    - What is defined as "obscene"? If I polled (as I've done before) whether or not the Batcomputer can fit all the porn in the world, would that be obscene? If I polled (also done before) a "hottest dude" contest where all the users pics are shirtless, is that considered obscene?
    Obscene is considered anything which can be called "disgusting or morally objectionable." While sexy polls are allowed, if they're considered offensive to somebody and they make a good case, it will be considered obscene. If there's something like a gore poll or such though, then that'll be automatically considered obscene, especially if there are images.

    - What is deeemd "bad" by you mods? Seriously, because things have been happening in this place and nobody's stepped in ever. So it would be nice if you could clarify it.
    This one is the most opinionated, honestly, so there is no real way I can properly clarify it. That said, though, I feel I've been too lac, letting polls "die" rather than cleaning up the ones I felt were made with little effort or thought. So while I can't say for sure if Cami or Rosie will actually do anything, I can say that if I think a poll has absolutely no merit, I'll likely bin it. If a lot of people show dislike for a poll, I'll bin it. If the creator of the poll feels there's reason this decision is wrong, they can appeal to me, but if I feel there reasons are pretty BS, it stays dead.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure View Post
    The phrasing is "at a time," and what that refers to is being active. I consider a thread active as long as the poll can still be voted on. After the poll has closed, then the rules applying to bumping threads apply as well, in which case I will lock and bin them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Azure View Post
    As noted in my previous clarification, I'll consider a thread active so long as the poll is running. That said, if a poll is clearly dying of inactivity and it has some ridiculous voting period, once activity has ceased for a suitable amount of time (I'll say 14 days/two weeks just so there's a number), then it'll be considered dead and bumping rules apply.
    I implore you to reconsider the definition, because I've always made polls that have no time limits. Sometimes, people just don't have anything to say so I'd like to give them the luxury of just voting and being done with it. Sometimes even if a poll is old, people just like voting for no reason. Look at every poll I've ever made and on average you'll find 40+ people; you won't find anything like that if the polls had limits.

    I just want to know the reasoning behind it. You originally made these rules to prevent shitposters like PitchEnder from spamming the section. So instead of taking care of the problem like directly trashing his stuff and infracting him for it, you're going to just put a giant bandaid on the problem and prevent any kind of poll from lasting so long? That makes absolutely no sense. If the shitpolling was moderated to begin with, we wouldn't even have to come to this. Even you admit to this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Azure View Post
    That said, though, I feel I've been too lazy(sic), letting polls "die" rather than cleaning up the ones I felt were made with little effort or thought.
    You've always discussed never having a bigger section to moderate in the past. Then the one time this section goes to shit, you devise a limitation on an element that never hurt anyone instead of tackling the issue directly. PitchEnder's polls didn't linger because the polls didn't have a duration, they lingered because there were goshdarn so much of them all at the same time. Think about it: if a poll ended and a discussion stayed, would that poll still be active? Yeah. Because it's still being bumped in the section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure View Post
    I can say that if I think a poll has absolutely no merit, I'll likely bin it. If a lot of people show dislike for a poll, I'll bin it. If the creator of the poll feels there's reason this decision is wrong, they can appeal to me, but if I feel there reasons are pretty BS, it stays dead.
    As I painted before, nobody will dislike polls outright because it's a case for infracting (posting off-topic, being mean, or derailment; take your pick). Moreover, reporting a bad poll is petty at best because of how subjective it is. So now you're saying that people are allowed to express dislike for a poll in the reports now? If you really mean that, then you should append in the rules to implore users that Reporting the "Bad" polls is recommended. But then we're back at the circular reasoning: What is considered "Bad"? What are the guidelines for good pollmaking? If you don't want the reports section to stink up with petty subjective complaints, you should really set a Standard for what polls ought to be so we will know what are Bad examples of polls.

    For example:

    a Good poll
    a) has never been done before
    b) has good amount of choices that stand out
    c) discusses to a broad audience
    d) is not offensive to any user in particular

    A Bad poll is
    a) a rehashed version of existing ones (use the Search Feature for any topics less than a month old---those may not be repeated)
    b) has vague, unclear choices that are too few or too many
    c) pertains only to a specific audience (such as "What should my RHG be like?" We see alot of those; it's your discretion if you want to allow these things)
    d) is made to insult or affect a certain group of users or an individual to the point that it breaks the rules.


    ^THIS is just an example. You do not need to use it exactly. I just gave a sample guideline to state my point; if you want "good" polls to appear now, they should have "good" standards. And you need to clarify what makes it so.

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    Note, Hewitt, I said that after the poll ends, it will be subject to normal bumping rules. A thread isn't bumped until around a week or so has passed with no posts, according to the official rules of the site which apply even here. If a thread has a long or even endless poll, then bumping rules, as I stated, will only be enforced after a period of time has passed without them being posted on. If you have an endless poll and nobody posts on it for a full month, then yes, I'm going to infract them for bumping and will likely lock and bin it. I'm not trying to set a timer on polls, I've done this before I made these rules as well. Somebody will find some old poll and post on it, and I'll infract them and lock and bin it instead of leaving it around at the top. And nobody really needs to have 3 polls active anyways which is another reason why you shouldn't really have a problem with the infinite pills being treated normally when people stop posting on them. They can be considered the Schroedinger's Cat of Polls, since they're simultaneously active and inactive, so you can post more (loopholes).

    As for the latter, I don't want people to report polls they don't like. If people hate a poll, they can simply make it known once in the thread, then go away forever. People don't like the "let it die" scenario, so why not let them complain a bit then shut things down? It not only helps give a general idea of what the community wants from a poll, it also gives the poll creator feedback on what not to do. Setting a guideline would be a good idea if there were a way to make one that could be viewed as universally acceptable, but because of the nature of polls, which range all forms of topics, creating such a guideline would be even more restrictive than the pretty loose rules I've set in place. For example, I could say some of the things you listed as a Bad Poll aren't really bad, just lazy.

    There's no way I can appeal to everyone, so I'm not even going to try.


    Note: While PitchEnder is the straw that broke the camel's back, this isn't strictly his fault, and I'd like everyone to know my position on that matter.
    Last edited by Azure; 09-09-2015 at 08:41 AM.

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    I don't disagree, but I'm kinda iffy on it either. Can we have a test run of sorts?

    Cos right now, it feels like the section is effectively dead; which isn't really any bad for me I mean I enjoy having my over 40+ user polls get the attention they deserve.

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