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    Detailed Guide On How To Order

    Shalom everyone, Xaemon here, and I want to teach anyone who might be having troubles with Stick Empires the fundamentals and some tricks that us Top 100 players use. Let's get started!


    Macro

    Macro is how well you manage your economy and background processes.





    This is called a Miner Split. We use this method to get our miners mining faster, rather than letting the Miners sit there doing nothing. This first split is the most important.



    What to buy:

    Map size can heavily influence what we build, research, and how aggressive we play. For the purposes of making this simple, this is what you should buy on certain sizes.

    Small Maps: Archer Swordwrath ---> Swordwrath Miner

    Medium Maps: Archer Miner ---> Swordwrath Miner



    What to keep purchasing:

    Keeping on with purchasing is a vital aspect, keeping gold low signifies that you can macro (to a certain extent). For example, you always want to keep spending money on Miners, Swordwrath, Archers, Speartons.

    Here are some things to keep in mind:

    - Always build miners until you have around 16 miners, 4 to pray, 12 to mine

    - Always build enough army composition to prevent the enemy from being able to attack freely

    - When it reaches mid game, think about building Speartons, Archers, and Merics rather than Swordwrath



    When creating an army, here's what you want to keep in mind for mid game:

    - Having more Archidon than Speartons is generally optimal, but not always

    - Building a Meric when you have enough Mana, so long you have around 1-2 Speartons, and 5-7 Archidon



    When it comes late game, never be afraid to build a lot of Giants .



    The best upgrades to get when you can:

    Miner Hustle: This is in my opinion the most important upgrade. This Upgrade allows more safety for miners and allows you to get gold faster.

    Shield Wall: This upgrade is also important when it comes to Speartons. The ability is very cost effective, and allows the Spearton to tank a lot more damage.

    Fire Arrows: Also another cost effective upgrade, this allows more Armor Penetration as well as more poking power.

    All Magikill Abilities: When you get a Magikill, it would be foolish not to get Poison Spray or Electric Wall. Magikill are very useless with only Fire Blast, and the utility you get from both the Magikill Upgrades is immense.

    Passive Income: Yet another utility upgrade, this passive pays off more the quicker you get it, and at Passive Income III, it will pay off for itself very quickly.



    Hotkeys

    Hotkeys are very important as it allows you to do procedures quicker and allows you to focus more attention to what is needed, such as a battle and you need to micro it. I will be using pictures from this thread:

    http://forums.stickpage.com/showthre...-Stick-Empires!





    This will look familiar, it is where you make your units. However, you might notice that there are numbers at the bottom right of those units. Those aren't just there to number how many units there are, they symbolize that it is a hotkey. If you press for example, 5, it will start making a Magikill given you have the right amount of Gold and Mana. This works the same for any Empire and number. For another example, if you press 1, you will start making a Miner if you have the right amount of Gold.

    Another neat and practical trick is if you do Ctrl + # (Ctrl + Any Number) then you will select every single unit that is the unit you specified. Don't use the + though, that is just to make it easier to understand. For example, if you did Ctrl 3, you would select every single Archidon you have.





    This will also look familiar any time you click on a unit. But those buttons also have a hotkey and a purpose:

    G: This will make that unit(s) go to the garrison. This is fundamental for Archidon Kiting, but we will cover that later.

    S: This will make that unit(s) stop whatever command they were given prior to you clicking S. I will admit this is not a hotkey that is used too often.

    H: This will make that unit(s) hold their position. This is extremely helpful if you want to hold a position near an enemy, preventing your troops at running at them.

    A: This will make that unit(s) move to where you clicked and attack any nearby enemies. This is very helpful if you want your troops to move somewhere while you do other things.





    You may notice if you click those abilities, that they perform a specific action. Well, there is also hotkeys to perform that:

    Q: This hotkey will activate the ability furthest to the Left.

    W: This hotkey will activate the ability in the Middle.

    E: This hotkey will activate the ability furthest to the Right.



    How to keep units alive:

    Whenever you see a unit that is low health, it is almost always recommended that you send the unit the garrison to heal up (G). However, don't sent the unit back if you know you can win the trade.



    Micro

    Micro is how you command specific actions to achieve the maximum potential of a unit.





    This is G Kiting, the most important Micro tip in Stick Empires. It allows an Archidon to stay safe while still dealing damage.





    You see how the Merics are in sync when they heal? Yeah, don't do that. If your Merics are synced, it doesn't matter how many Merics you have, you will heal equal to one. The Micro tip I'm going to tell you about is Meric Desyncing. To Meric Desync, select the Meric you wish to desync and move him around until your Meric has made the healing noise, then hold your Meric (H), and viola, your 2 Merics are performing 2x better!



    Turtling

    Turtling is when you sit back and play defensive, typically when you have the disadvantage. There are two types of turtling:

    - Disadvantage Turtling

    - Instant Turtling

    Disadvantage Turtling is when the enemy gains a huge upper hand, and you simply can't go head to head with their army. Now, this can range anywhere from early to late game.



    Instant Turtling is when you start off turtling right when the timer hits 00:01. I will be referencing this replay shown here:

    4GiveMe vs Bothsole



    To start, you should always stream miners until the enemy comes to attack. When they do attack, focus on getting out that Castle Archer. When an enemy shoots one of your miners with an arrow, send that miner back to reduce casualties.

    After the Castle Archer has appeared, you will get a small frame of peace. However, if the enemy gets an Archidon and starts Castle Archer Dodging, then get an Archidon of your own to shut it down.

    Continue to make miners until you have 8 mining and 6 praying, while still getting upgrades such as:

    - Shield Wall

    - Passive Income I, II, III

    - Miner Hustle

    - Miner Wall

    Once you have all of your Miners you need, build a Spearton, once he pops out, place the Spearton in front of your first gold column.

    Get two Merics afterwards to deflect damage from Archidon.

    Delay your wall until you can see the enemy advancing towards you, then build it as close to your base as you can get it.

    Once you have two Merics, desync them if they are attacking with Archidon(s).

    If you need to, get another Spearton to tank more damage.

    Get a Magikill and all of his abilities.

    See if you are able to push the enemy back so you can mine your second gold column. If you are successful, take some of the miners from the statue praying and send them to mining.

    Start making Giants and Shadowrath (2-3 will suffice at maximum) while researching Giant Growth I, II and Shinobi I, II.

    Once you get all of those, start advancing towards to the enemy.



    If you are doing Disadvantage Turtling, you can easily apply these concepts, except a lot more pressure will be on you. Try to get more than 1-2 Speartons for tanking.



    Disclaimer: I am not the best Turtler, and this will surely be edited once I am more familiar with Turtling.







    General Tips and Tricks

    These are some Tips and Tricks that some of us use that you might not be doing.



    - Capturing the Mid Tower is extremely important throughout the game. Not only does it give you Gold the near equivalent to 2 Miners, but it also allows you to see more things, and gives you map control.

    - On Medium Maps, focus on Economy more than Army

    - On Short Maps, focus on Army more than Economy

    - Placing 1 unit near the top or bottom of the map will make the unit go invisible on the minimap

    - Against a group of an enemy's units with a Magikill, poison spray just as they come into range of it.

    - Use Electric Wall to force an enemy away from that area.



    Some of the Guide is based on how to Order vs Order, and may not correlate well against other Empires, but I hope you all learned something from this. I might start editing this if I find some more content I should add. Hope you enjoy and good luck in ranked!
    Last edited by XAEMON; 12-31-2015 at 06:18 PM.

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    Well written guide, definitely worth reading. You cover most of the techniques, maybe you could talk more about strategies and builds? You don't have to, this guide is already good as it is.

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    Well, I did state that I would be adding more content, thanks for giving more content to add.

    I am not quite familiar on what you mean by strategies though, it would be nice if you were to explain.

    With builds, Spearcher is the most reliable and safe of them all, but I can always describe fun ones that aren't the worst. I could also explain what is Early Game, Mid Game, and Late Game and what you should build in those time frames.

    EDIT: Thanks to the help of AsePlayer, I have decided to do Turtling next.
    Last edited by XAEMON; 12-29-2015 at 10:42 PM.

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    Didn't read the end lol. What I mean by strategies is probably tactics instead but whatever. Things like staying at the opponent's second ring and turtling. Always attacking if you can.

    You could also give a description on each order unit, basic info, their roles, their strengths, tips etc. You get the point.
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    This is a good guide for beginners--you covered basic micro/macro in depth and some tips and tricks
    well done

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    My way of playing order in a classic match:

    First, put both 2 miners into gold
    Then, get a archidon and another miner
    the miner goes to gold
    the archidon goes to center
    after that i get 1 swordwrath and a couple more miners
    put the miners into mana
    keep the middle defended
    then get lots of speartons (they are the best)
    if the enemy builds a miner wall, get tower spawn
    keep speartons garrisoned inside castle
    after the miner walls were taken care of, charge with your speartons
    don't attack the enemy's army, attack the statue
    YOU WIN!!!
    it works for me everytime

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    Quote Originally Posted by DracoMalfare View Post
    My way of playing order in a classic match:

    First, put both 2 miners into gold
    Then, get a archidon and another miner
    the miner goes to gold
    the archidon goes to center
    after that i get 1 swordwrath and a couple more miners
    put the miners into mana
    keep the middle defended
    then get lots of speartons (they are the best)
    if the enemy builds a miner wall, get tower spawn
    keep speartons garrisoned inside castle
    after the miner walls were taken care of, charge with your speartons
    don't attack the enemy's army, attack the statue
    YOU WIN!!!
    it works for me everytime
    Easily countered with Castle Archer 2 or 3, Resi, and 2 magikill.
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    Well done ZwnDYL, learnt few things from this

    Quote Originally Posted by DracoMalfare View Post
    My way of playing order in a classic match:

    First, put both 2 miners into gold
    Then, get a archidon and another miner
    the miner goes to gold
    the archidon goes to center
    after that i get 1 swordwrath and a couple more miners
    put the miners into mana
    keep the middle defended
    then get lots of speartons (they are the best)
    if the enemy builds a miner wall, get tower spawn
    keep speartons garrisoned inside castle
    after the miner walls were taken care of, charge with your speartons
    don't attack the enemy's army, attack the statue
    YOU WIN!!!
    it works for me everytime
    No offense dude but that's a noob strat lol
    Last edited by _Ai_; 01-01-2016 at 12:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DracoMalfare View Post
    My way of playing order in a classic match:

    First, put both 2 miners into gold
    Then, get a archidon and another miner
    the miner goes to gold
    the archidon goes to center
    after that i get 1 swordwrath and a couple more miners
    put the miners into mana
    keep the middle defended
    then get lots of speartons (they are the best)
    if the enemy builds a miner wall, get tower spawn
    keep speartons garrisoned inside castle
    after the miner walls were taken care of, charge with your speartons
    don't attack the enemy's army, attack the statue
    YOU WIN!!!
    it works for me everytime
    If you are ever faced with a competent player, they will destroy this. Once the enemy gets Magikill with Speartons and a Miner Wall or two, you can't do anything.

    @ArcherFish Thanks. Off topic but, the Archerfish is my favorite animal/species of fish.

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    This is a definitely one of the better guides out there, keep up the good work. How about adding forward kiting in the micro section?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyarlathotep View Post
    I CANT BEAT WALLS WITH SPEAR MASS SO I'M GONNA GO ON THE FORUMS AND SPAM IN ALL CAPS THAT THEY SHOULD BE NERFED HKASJDFLASDNJK
    Quote Originally Posted by alternate View Post
    Ase, it seems lately, you are trying to get the new name of ASSplayer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeletonxf View Post
    I you speak coherent English I could try to help you

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