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Oct 26, 2016 10:51 PM #1465124
I feel like this character is overpowered, and I'll explain why.

What does she counter, and what counters her? Well, she counters fire just straight up, which is a big one. It's possibly the most beloved arcane element to conjure, and simply by existing she is unbeatable if her opponent is fire-based. Similarly, psychic abilities don't work. Also digital stuff. So right there, she counters elemental magic, psychic powers, and digital powers. That's not being an anti-mage, that's being anti-magic, anti-arcane, and anti-technology. I believe those are generally regarded as the primary schools of any wizard world, and she passively counters them all. And she uses some magic of her own. Well.

It's just boring. I mean, no matter how well you write it, or work around it, fire based gladiators in particular are totally nullified while elemental ones are at an extreme disadvantage, whilst arcane and technological gladiators have massive aspects of their equipment immediately removed right off the bat.

And then the real issue begins.

"Her reaction speed aiming are always on point". She's "EXTREMELY, MIND-BENDINGLY experienced with one spear". "The spear(s) is a piece of archaotech, as it cuts (and pierces) through almost anything."

So your character can't be beaten toe-to-toe. She can evade anything, her blows are always totally accurate, and she's an absolute, total expert with her weapon of choice which cuts through anything. I can't hit her, and she will one hit kill me. And that's if I even get close. I can't attack from a distance because her reaction speed is so onpoint. So literally the only way my gladiator can beat your gladiator is by sneaking up on them. A ridiculously specific skill set that I'm willing to wager 90% of the gladiators are not capable of doing. At least she's blind, right?

Right?

"Al.ice can see people’s intent, as well as powerful forces (whether they be psychic, physical, magical, whatever). She can also see in a 360 degree area around her, because reasons".

So I can't beat her if my powers are magical or technological, I can't stand toe-to-toe because she's an impossibly fast and skilled spearwoman with a weapon that will cut through anything, and I can't sneak up on her because she can see in a 360 degree radius around her and I can't even sneak up on her in a crowd because she'll see my intent. She's immune to poisons, so really convoluted and distant assassination is equally impossible.

She can even open every door so you can't even hide from her.

So she can't be beaten with technology, magic, or psychic powers. Her capacity to kill at close range is pretty much guaranteed considering that she's impossibly fast and accurate, meaning she can evade anything and strike faster than you, and even if you do block it the blade will go through because it can cut through anything. You can't kill her from a distance because she's got wicked fast reaction. You can't sneak up on her because she has 360 degree vision that even includes the intent of the attacker so you can't use a crowd as cover. You can't poison her because she's immune. You can't hide from her.

Your weaknesses are that she's blind, which you literally say is pretty much pointless because she has her other sight which I would wager is better, her abilities have cooldowns but who cares about those, they're pretty irrelevant considering she wouldn't even need them to beat anyone, she's physically frail but who cares if your spear will pierce everything anyway and you can dodge anything, she has a caustic reaction to pure iron and gold which is irrelevant because no one could ever hit her with them. The only reason why blindness would be a problem is if "someone has something that targets the blind" but what kind of gladiator or power would have that?

Your character isn't just overpowered, it's overpowered on a scale I haven't seen for some time. You really need to think about revamping this character a lot.
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Oct 26, 2016 11:06 PM #1465125
We have talked about the spear, and the reaction speed, and the null aura.
I'm not going to say anything more about that.

The reaction to iron and gold is similar to the allergies when you breathe it in and it affects you. She doesn't like being around impure steel, so you can imagine the rest.

The rest you overhype. Also, impossibly fast?Where did you get that? I have pretty fukin good reactions if I so say so myself, but I would lose to an overweight snail in a race. And yes, it is a lot easier to kill her with physical combat. Fucking deal with it.
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Oct 27, 2016 6:56 AM #1465148
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Null Aura: She has an aura which fluctuates in distance (is never below 30 ft or above 1km. The fluctuation is random and decreases in chance to increase the higher it gets). Said aura shuts down all digital technology and psychic abilities (including teleportation, telekinesis, and telepathy) within its radius. This isn’t a battle of wills, it’s a fuck you.


Battle retracted. Fuck you too then, yeah? <_<
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Oct 27, 2016 7:24 AM #1465152
Are you guys seriously still thinking this character is anything but OP?

Did the nested spoiler tags not give anything away?
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Oct 27, 2016 7:53 AM #1465157
I can't tell if Chrome is serious(never can, never will).

I have no idea what Hewitt is talking about.

Still busy. Am still going to change the things I mentioned up top.

Also, Hewitt, I believe that this current version of my char. isn't op. The one in the past is (yes, I am talking about Al.ice, not Alex. The one in the past is the one you are talking about). Also, I would still like answers to the question I asked. She isn't strong, fast or durable, she's just experienced, has good reactions and can read the enemy. I'm not sure how that is op (also the spear has been discussed, do not mention it again, it will still be sharp, just not able to cut through everything. The sharpness will not be its ability, however).
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Oct 27, 2016 8:06 AM #1465158
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I can't tell if Chrome is serious(never can, never will).

She isn't strong, fast or durable, she's just experienced, has good reactions and can read the enemy.


Might wanna include this line in the update(as well as the other things, of course), but yeah I agree with Doom here.

He's already addressed most of the issues, we're just waiting for him to make the changes he said he was going to make(and hopefully doesn't overbuff to "compensate").
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Oct 27, 2016 8:10 AM #1465159
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Might wanna include this line in the update(as well as the other things, of course), but yeah I agree with Doom here.


Yay.
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Oct 27, 2016 8:18 AM #1465160
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Yay.


I also agree that Null Aura needs to be changed, though. Not with a few words of clarification, not with a "Fuck you" statement, but changed(whether that be drastic or simply more fair for psychics/techies/whatever)... for real... :/

I can't seem to find it, but have you stated anywhere the specific changes you were going to be making to that ability(if any at all)?
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Oct 27, 2016 8:25 AM #1465161
I agree.

If anything, the FU should just be reported for rudeness
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Oct 27, 2016 8:30 AM #1465162
If my wRHG met yours, he would not have hands and would not hug you.

If Errorblender's wRHG met yours, he would probably die horribly of a stroke 1km away.

RIP
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Oct 27, 2016 8:45 AM #1465166
Why would Bl.Anc die from a stroke? I just nerfed it bro.
Also, Hewitt, that's perfectly fine. If you feel the need to say that, do it.

Second, I just nerfed it bro (yes, it still does things, I'm not removing it. It just does them FAR less effectively).
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Oct 27, 2016 9:13 AM #1465170
OK she's no longer a counter to technology. That's a start. But there's still plenty of reigning in you need to do if you want people to ever fight you.

She still flat out counters psychics passively. What kind of fun is that? "a complete mind domination would become a suggestion, a planet-destroying psychokinetic blast capable of sending someone flying". So, anyone with mind control is totally nullified. And any force-abilities linked to psychic capacity are equally muted. What gladiator in all of RHG has "planet destroying blasts"? That would be utterly and totally overpowered on a ridiculous level, but your character still counters them.

"Sudden changes of temperature (technically this can hurt her, but you would need to throw her into the fiery pits of hell before you would get an "ow,ow,ow HOT HOT HOT". Same vice versa with cold. 0K will still fucking kill her)."

This is either contradictory or virtually no change at all. You specify that it would take the firey pits of hell in order for her to get just a pained reaction from heat, which is pretty much no improvement from before. She still has an impossibly high resistance to fire that by your metric would totally mute pretty much anything except the hottest, most agonizing pains imaginable and even those would only hurt her a bit.

On top of that you added cold resistance. Nice.

So she still counters elemental and psychic magics. Possibly to a higher degree because you traded fallibility to magic of the caliber that no gladiator has for resistance to a much more common and likely one.

Her reaction speed has been altered but frankly it's difficult to decipher what it's trying to tell me. If you have a high reaction speed, then you react to things quickly, which is generally a judge for how fast you can get out of the way. If you can react in the right time frame you can dodge a bullet, or an arrow, or a jab. If she has a totally ridiculous reaction speed I don't really see how anything can hit her unless you're saying she has an incredibly fast reaction speed but no evasion to back that up. In which case, what, she just gasps and gets hit by a projectile?

I see you've edited the spears so that she's an expert with one spear but never uses it. That's a character detail not a power if she's never going to just use one spear. What's the point if she's never going to use it? All it does is gimp her, which gives you a writing edge versus people with a style that involves "being the underdog" while not paying the price of inherently being the weaker character and working around it.

I will 100% assume that your reaction speed change totally removes that problem though I can't quite understand what you're saying there, and say the character still needs some work. The technology fluctuation should be the way you go with your passive abilities; it's not fun if she just straight up counters them, you need some more to it than that. Make psychic abilities less reliable, or mute them just a little bit, or make them cause the person some pain if you absolutely must have the null field but sacrifice yourself some capacity for them to hurt you. Maybe psychic abilities are more powerful once they get past your mental defenses or something.

She's still pretty much immune to elemental magic, I'd say fix that in a similar way.

And she's still on top of being a powerful mage an exceptional warrior. I can't even begin to understand what the hell those "barbs" do based on what you said. It causes them to...bleed really hard? I'd say pick either mage or warrior, or mute both of her powers on both ends and hit a middle ground.
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Oct 27, 2016 9:33 AM #1465171
*hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ok. First, wtf.
Second, well then.
Third, I'll get arounding to answering you now.
1. She is an anti-mage. She says: "No, you can't use just that against me". That is her job. No frills.
2. Hey, you know Dracustos. His white fire would burn her. That is one example (can't be asked to go through all the gladiators and find another). She's resistant to cold, as in "oh hey, I'm fine with being in the Artic while I'm wearing my clothes". She can't dance through the vacuum naked.
3. Yes, she still counters the stuff she's supposed to counter.
4. Yes, I have fixed the reaction speed to a level where she isn't Matrixing around for no reason. If a bullet will nick her, she can dodge it. If a bullet will shoot her direct in centre of mass, she will probably get it to hit something that won't immediately kill her.
5. Yes, it is a character detail. It's just a thing I put there. I like it. It isn't important in battles though. Thank you for noticing.
6. Her warrior skills are her main damage output. Her magic is all supplementary; a one-use barrier/a way to move things, a one-use barrier/a way to move things(gravity halting and momentum halting is like a one use barrier which you have to time well), and a way to buff her physical damage output up/do some nasty time shenanigans. Not really doing any Black Mage nuking here, is she? Her Barbs is what she uses to beat you up really, everything else is just to make that easier.
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Oct 27, 2016 11:51 AM #1465175
Alright. So you're editing the character to make her less powerful. Good.
Still not really feeling the battle or any real stories with you just yet- I want to wait for whatever nerfs end up going through to go through before I try and agree to anything. A lot of changes to keep up with here, and still a lot of powers. Azure might be more willing to go for something still tho? Might wanna talk with him. : ]
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Oct 27, 2016 11:58 AM #1465176
I have already nerfed her. Also I was kinda gonna fight I'llpayus first, so that's fine (I'm still w8ing 4 the c@ 2 reveal his claws- C if u can de-scyther this message). So s'all good right now imo. Anyone disagree?
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