What I lack isn't the interest, but the time, money, brainpower, heart, and stomach to merge stories and combine canons much further than I already have over the course of my own.

Alright. Sooo....

I needed to make things clearer.

I'm planning on going ahead with this, but having read the feedback here's my response:

first off -- **This is intended to be an optional guideline for those who wish to use it, not the final say.

Second off -- **I am not fusing canons. At all. I am creating a rather loose framework. Again, an OPTIONAL framework.

Third off -- **Irl is making it hard for me to do much with SP right now, so I'm being hella vague...sorry. :P I'm going to make this up and post it, and then you'll see what I mean.

If you still don't like the idea....ignore it. I'm not wanting some rules or anything about this, just a easy-peasy on-hand resource for people who want to flesh something out or to find a way to fuse canons.

I'm going for maximum inclusivity here. Which means my "universe" will have allowances for difference perceptions/locations/names/natures of "SP City", all the different conceptions of deities/demons/etc., magics being common and magic being totally foreign...etc.

Well, have fun with that dude. Count me out. :)

Well, personally, this sounds great. I'll be up for this.

Just as a note:

This won't be "just me" creating all this, btw.

Dear god, I would hope not.

Right, it's late and I'm really scatterbrain but I gotta make this comment.

First off ;

I'm planning on going ahead

Don't. Really. The community is a bit mild in its phrasing sometimes but I can see some big no's here in the comments and my own points still stand. Whatever you're planning it's probably going to end in trouble despite your best intentions.

If you still don't like the idea....ignore it

Allow me to address this, too, before I get to the point. If I don't like something, I better damn well oppose or otherwise address it. How else are we supposed to learn from each other? You do realize that if I would decide to ignore the shit I don't like instead of address it, you'd arguably be my least favourite person in this entire lounge as opposed to someone I think is a cool guy, right?

I mean, I'm a bit worried. If you say this and directly after you say "you don't want rules or some shit", that sounds to me like you KNOW people aren't going to like what you're gonna do next and that should be a huge red flag for ya.

So to get to my point, because I could sit here all day shitting on what you said but that'd only make me a dick; It all boils down to the point I made earlier. The charm of this environment is really how freestyle the whole approach to canon can be, it can actually be a nice challenge to imagine how you could make a character that would be rather alien to your own canon work out properly. If you present the people with a framework though, at least a couple are bound to jump on, and at least a couple others would not like your ideas.

This brings me to the point I made earlier; You'll end up creating a division in the community, that'll only get wider the more people decide to use your framework. I know only really you will understand when I say this Alph, but it's the same thing I had with your lore, where it becomes "literary aids". Anything it touches gets contaminated and if you don't want to have anything to do with this framework, everyone who ever got in contact with it becomes someone you need to avoid, which can be really fucking shitty if you would want to do something with said person.

Again, it's late and I'm having troubles with proper phrasing. What I'm trying to say is, by making this framework you'll con all the people that would disagree with it into just avoiding it completely, which can be a REALLY fucking bad situation if there are a lot of people who hop on on this framework. You'll either turn yourself into a minority, or turn others into one. We really should be avoiding this.

I know this is kinda the worst case scenario though, and that it'll probably not run as out of hand as I pictured it, but I still foresee issues of this nature arising if you push through with this (yes, even if it's just optional, even if you try to make it as inclusive as possible with the bestest intentions).

I have a few other red flags, being that you explicitly say this is going to be "my universe", and that you don't seem to be involving lots of others into this. It all seems to me like this'll more be a "How to make your canon Alphaeus-compatible 101" thread (if you just called it that I guess there wouldn't be a real problem).

Though if you feel a need to write down a framework for a canon though, I may have an idea. What if instead of a thread that proposes a framework for a canon, we simply make a thread where people can list their own canons and some of the specifics, or something along those lines? Kinda like the fictional org thread. I can see that as being a nice reference for many people.

(also Alph if that was your idea all along you got some really shit phrasing son).

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Well, personally, this sounds great. I'll be up for this.

Honestly though, Draou, I invite you and some others in this lounge to stop and think about some things for a second longer instead of gobbling it up without a second thought.

I'd say the people I'm talking about know who they are, though I'm not sure if they even realize themselves. If you feel as if I'm talking about you here, I probably am. No offence though, like seriously.

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(also Alph if that was your idea all along you got some really shit phrasing son).

My phrasing isn't ALWAYS this bad.

Like I said...IRL has me bit messed up as of late -- this is literally the first time I've been able to have down time on an actual computer (vs a few mins snatched on a phone) in about two weeks. The first post was a hasty thing written on my phone, and my most recent most here (not the two-liner) has been written after a long day, a headache, and a few dozes of liquor.

So yeah, my phrasing is shit.

I'm wanting to find a better way of doing this than just a stack of spoilers, which is why I worded it different. I want to flesh out more about each part, etc. Structure things beyond a list (because an org is one thing, a universe is another).

But yeah, that's what I'm thinking, more or less. :D

Hey, Vern, m8, I get that you have a point, and that these are real potential issues. But c'mon, you can't just shut off every single other person here like that. I also agree with the idea of that thread you're mentioning.

If he's starting up something that involves multiple people, sometimes people will be excluded. Not everyone works well together. However, this idea that's set forward here has absolutely no intention of downgrading or interfering with anyone who's not willing. You listed it as a possible issue, sure, but leaving it on that tone is just going to close the argument to your side. You know that.

It can be built to not impede on everyone else. It's not going to, though, if this keeps on being brought up in the way you just posted it.

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I am not fusing canons. At all.


just a easy-peasy on-hand resource for people who want to flesh something out or to find a way to fuse canons.
I'm going for maximum inclusivity here.

Kindly do NOT contradict yourself, please.

Also if you are going to go the route of "I'm making a thread for my canon lel". Don't do that.

If you are going the route of me (i.e. post everyone's canon and then state who posted it), fair enough. But then that isn't really the same thing as what you appear to be suggesting.

Can't tell what's going on otherwise. Explain yoself plz.

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If I don't like something, I better damn well oppose or otherwise address it. How else are we supposed to learn from each other? You do realize that if I would decide to ignore the shit I don't like

Well you guys ignore me and I'm stuff you don't like.

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So I glanced through this thread, and given that everybody is putting their opinions in, I'll throw down as well.

I think this is dumb, and shouldn't be done.
Don't get me wrong, the concept itself is logical and would be interesting, but its just impossible. And I'll give feedback about said statement.
You see, most of us have a specific canon in mind. For some its fixed, for others is interchanging. For me its a fuckin mess, simply because of so much unfinished content just sitting around, thats theoretically useless, but a tiny part of it makes sense in my stories' canon, but that alone doesnt make any sense.
Now what do I do if I want to implement that part in the canon, but it clashes with some part of it? I change it. It's that simple. It's my canon, my story, my world. I can do anything I want in it, because I have no limitations. By trying to introduce this system simply doesn't compute.

A practical example would be how we interlude canons for a simple collab story. Back in the day me and 2 others had a quite solid clash about how your characters had to come about just to get that piece working, but thats a story for another time.
Point is. Canons clash. And easily. If you wanna change something, then you'd have to go through this government style procedure, just to approve something that mostly impacts only your character. It simply doesnt compute, man.

Final verdict. I ain't doing this.
:)

To help clear things up...

This is going to be The Organization Thread style.

A list of EVERYONE's OWN INDIVIDUAL canon/universe set-up. For reference. I'll be doing some compilation work to break down the incoming data, but it's essentially just a reference list.

So that you can know things at a glance, instead of hurling a squad of PMs back and forth at folks.

Alright.

Continue to count me out.

Ok...lets put it this way. You are not supposed to write another person's character without their permission. The only exception to that idea is a battle, for which you already have a separate thread (The Charater Thread) where you find all the information that you need in order to make a solid, complete and enjoyable story.

If you wanna do an OLit part, then obviously theres more meticulous work involved, but that also implies having bigger allowance from the owner of the character. IE when shadow did that one part with Serena and his character going out at an amusement park.

But other stuff is strictly personal, for many reasons, whether its spoilers regarding the current known information (in my case, I would reveal some plot points that are key), complex thoughts or simply unknown and undeveloped canon branches.

Also its more than obvious that some of the writers (me included) would not want to reveal some of this canon in order to save it for a plot twist in a story. This would lead to filtering of personal canons, which means a hella more work. Like I don't know how big your canon is, how many characters you have and how complex they are. But I have A Lot of them.

Alright, now I'm lost. We talking what's normal in the world? Historys? Can/not be done?