Quote from Alphaeus

Not Traitor does not equal Shiro. There are a total of six roles in this game...all you are telling us is that Drizzle was not one out of six (Kuro is eliminated by default). Drizzle could still be Ultimate Despair, Monomi, Aruta, OR Shiro. I mean, you aren't even telling us if Drizzle is Hope or Despair side...just that Drizzle wasn't one role.

Now, your item or ability or whatever told you precisely what the dead person was, if I remember correctly. This means that unlike my item, which merely told me if someone was or wasn't Shiro, yours told EXACTLY WHAT ROLE THE PERSON FILLED.

So why the hell aren't you telling us? Why are you just saying, "Oh, Drizzle wasn't Traitor?" Quite frankly, we have no reason to believe you one way or the other. Drizzle told us he was Aruta. Your ability makes you able to confirm or deny this -- instead you are giving a rather useless roundabout response that serves no purpose except to look suspicious.

Well, that's the only info I got. Hew didn't tell me anything else other than Drizzle wasn't a Traitor.

Well the objective of the game isn't necessarily to kill all the Despairs, it's to kill Kuro. So we should be using the methodology to assume who's Kuro, not necessarily who's not on our side. For that reason, while I think Alph is not on our side, I don't think he's Kuro. If he's not on our side, it makes more sense that he was conspiring with Smile. Kuro doesn't know who's on his side, so logically this would probably mean Alph isn't Kuro. (Of course, this belief is based on the assumption that all Despair students sans the Kuro can communicate with one another).

So let's quantify these assumptions. We know we didn't have a monomi, so the Hope's side extends from 5 to 6 people. However, there are 9 of us; the maximum amount of possible Despair students can extend to 3. Therefore, we can make the assumption that there are 6 Hopes and 3 Despairs. We have already identified Smile as a Traitor, and we can assume that Alph is the Ultra Highschool Despair (once again, this is on the assumption that all Despair students can talk to each other sans Kuro). Now, two of the people killed were Hope. That means 4 of the remaining 6 players are Hope.

This leaves the following players:
Person
ErrorBlender
DoctorNoob
Ai
Raptor
(excluding Alph)

Now I personally want to exclude Ai and DoctorNoob. The latter for being very cooperative and the former for putting in extensive effort keeping track of all the pieces. Which is not much to go on, but it's better than nothing.

So that leaves it down to three people. Error, me, and Person.

Now for me this decision is easier, because it's a 50/50 chance (assuming all assumptions made thus far are correct). But for everyone else it's a 33% chance.

I'm going to PM Hewitt on a few clarifications, but otherwise this is what I got.

I have the glasses. Who should I use it on?

A small update regarding my previous post, but I just learned that despairs can't talk to each other. That puts more suspicion on Alph since the Ultra Despair student would actively desire to get killed; since he isn't exhibiting that desire that does raise suspicions that he's a Kuro instead.

Although to be fair, there also hasn't really been anyone thus far who has actively desired to be killed, so take it as you will.

Quote from Raptor

Although to be fair, there also hasn't really been anyone thus far who has actively desired to be killed, so take it as you will.

Except Smile. Still, the game didn't end. I'm guessing there isn't and Ultimate Despair this game.

Again, I'm Shiro, not a traitor. I'm not sure how you get that I was conspiring with Smile when I was the one telling you guys all the truths about Smile (Smile isn't Shiro, I think Smile is Traitor, Smile is lying about being Aruta, Don't kill Smile/He's not Kuro). All of what I said proved spot on so far, which means that if I was trying to do something it would be....what? Get Smile killed? Nah, because I led the votes for Person. Really, Smile is the only reason anyone was suspicious of me to begin with, for all of his lies about who he was/wasn't.

Sure, Kill me if you want. You'll lose the game.

I still think Person is Kuro.

I can only think of 2 suspicious people right now; Alph and Person. I'm leaning towards Person, based on how Drizzle voted for him and used his ability for it. He could just normally vote but he chose to use the ability, which, to me, is some kind of sign.

EDIT: @ErrorBlender I have to apologize. I did not notice glasses was only usable during the night... so we can't use it. Again, sorry, major error on my part.

Discussions have ended. It is time to vote now:




Schedule
- Class Trial will last for 3 days. Deadline of this phase is on 02/13/17.
- Phase ends after everyone has voted.

What to Do
- Post who should be punished as your vote. Votes must be made in public.
- Discussion is forbidden. PM is forbidden. Just Post.
- By the end of the day, User with most votes is Punished to death.

Item Use
- Item Use if necessary, is done by both Posting it and PM-ing it.


Good luck everyone!

McPerson

McPerson

McPerson.

I dont need to wait for the last two, the majority wins!


Person McPerson AKA Hifumi Yamada (M), Ultimate Fanfic Creator has been executed!


Hifumi has been revealed to be....Kuro! HOPE WINS!!!





Post-Game Discussion time, guys! Oh btw, there was NO Ultimate High School Despair. The only Traitor was Smile! And there was a Monomi in this game...Errorblender.


Discuss.

I hate to be that one guy that says this, but then again....

I TOLD YOU.

I told you Smile was Traitor, I told you I was Shiro, and I told you Person was Kuro.

:)

SOoo....next round, might want to take me a bit more seriously.

This seemed like an overall really weird set-up for a mafia game.

The first glaring thing about this game is that the Town couldn't lynch someone until someone was killed. It was incredibly obvious that Smile was not a Townsperson, but we still couldn't lynch him until we were at a disadvantage. This to me halfway defeats the purpose of medical items and roles since regardless of who you are able to save, the town isn't able to actually do anything with any of their conclusions until someone is killed.

The items were a decent idea, but some of them were sort of pointless if not kind of useless if the right person didn't have the right item. To add on to that, some abilities were also useless depending on the set-up of the game (ex. Sonia's ability completely depends on the number of males in the game). There was a bit of imbalance between the roles anyway. Some were only really useful in niche situations whereas others were trump cards.

I don't really think the set-up was inherently fair for the non-Townspeople. Luckily Smile was the only one, but realistically the Traitor is at a huge disadvantage. He can get killed and lynched, but he can't kill. And even if he wasn't alone, he wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone or discuss anything, which is normally one of their big advantages against the townspeople.

On the flipside, the Kuro is at an amazing advantage. He only has to kill two people to fulfill the quota, and the odds of hitting a Mafia is low. Two rounds is about the bare minimum it takes for the townspeople to even get close to zeroing in on an individual threat. To be honest, the only reason why we even won was because McPerson screwed up, not exactly the other way around. This connects back to the items/abilities argument in that the majority of them officially becomes useless once the quota is met, which can happen as early as two rounds into the game; most items won't be used in Day 0 for obvious reasons, and a fair amount of items can't be used until someone is dead. The time frame in between is incredibly tight.

Now I'm not going to blame everything on the set-up because the reason why this game was a mess was partially because none of us played it that well except maybe one or two people and there were a lot of people who went AOL randomly throughout the game. That being said, I still think this is my least favorite mafia set-up because of how limiting it was. Mafia is more fun when you have more options available to you, and I felt throughout this game I was given a lot of tools that I couldn't really use and there were rules that limited every party's ability to act. Regardless, it was still a decent amount of fun.

@Alphaeus guessing that I'm a Traitor isn't an amazing feat. If literally anyone else was at the position you were in, they'd be saying the same thing.


It was really hard to win this one. Not going to lie, seeing "Person McPerson is Kuro" in my PM wasn't the best start for this game. Finding out that I was not able to communicate with him made it much worse. The fact that Drizzle was immediately a confirmed non-Kuro was also a hard hurdle. Most of the items were useless for us too. Even though, I still think if I had a competent Kuro then we still had a chance to win.

Honestly I'm really disappointed that Person just ditched the game on the last Day. I admit it probably was going to be hard to get out of the hole of not undoing my Despair Bat, but it wasn't impossible and we still had a chance. Fuck, he killed Aruta. I still think he's fucking insane for going after Drizzle but he was lucky enough to actually kill him, so it's such a waste that he just ends up not even bothering to put up a fight after such a lucky break. Doctornoob was being useless the whole time and Alphaeus was straight up wrong about the Graduation Album AND was wrong about the items THAT HE HAD. If he fought tooth and nail to paint a picture about how they were the bad guys, then I wouldn't blame him even if we ended up losing. At least he would have tried.

Overall though this game was fun. I was scared out of my mind to check this thread after I claimed I was Shiro. I did all that because I was fully intending to make Person understand that I'm the Traitor and that he should add me to his body count because there was no way I was going to live past the next day without everyone knowing I'm not on their team. I used the Despair Bat because I didn't know what Person was thinking, and that there was a chance he was going to claim that I'm not a traitor. He might have ratted me out instead to gain trust which I would have been happy about if he did, but I just didn't want to risk it.

btw this is me desperately trying, and I guess failing, to communicate with McPerson: