Op34 (Op34) vs Emerald (Mustika)

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May 8, 2017 9:14 AM #1479565

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Holy shot. O.o Musti is on the lead with 14 votes thats amazing :D

Pssh you're leading now ;P it's pretty much an unstable moment for both of us so we can only wait and see what the majority will pick on this.

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May 8, 2017 9:38 AM #1479566

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Op didnt end it the best. The op transformation is done too much and too easy to pull off. Op form is like the easiest way to end your battle. Can't think of ending? Power up and become op. I dont like the grappling of the mus ending though. Uneeded and a bad decision by the guy who grabbed. He didnt do much with the grab. He grabbed and just held. Until she stabbee him.

I failed to see what you mean "done too much" I only used it 2 time in my animation plus this is the only time I feature this form in action(not including it's full abilities yet) and that scene wasn't even the ending also there is more then him just grappling emerald if you really payed attention.

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Ending was... Well, ok, what's with the whole backstory involving siblings you guys, lmao.

You'll understand if you read our RHG Story :)

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Pssh you're leading now ;P it's pretty much an unstable moment for both of us so we can only wait and see what the majority will pick on this.

True I guess I was just exited or something XD

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May 8, 2017 9:43 AM #1479567

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I failed to see what you mean "done too much" I only used it 2 time in my animation plus this is the only time I feature this form in action(not including it's full abilities yet) and that scene wasn't even the ending also there is more then him just grappling emerald if you really payed attention.

I think what he means is the whole "super saiyan trope" is really overdone being in the fight and all, disregarding the ending bits after that.

Also, when will the voting end?

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May 8, 2017 9:55 AM #1479568

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I think what he means is the whole "super saiyan trope" is really overdone being in the fight and all, disregarding the ending bits after that.

Also, when will the voting end?

I guess I will agree on forms are being used to much in animations but hey what can you do if that form is a part of your character -w-

and voting ends 5/15/2017 :)

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May 8, 2017 10:08 AM #1479569

Wait I thought it's normally 7 days? I set it up 'til May 12th ._.

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May 9, 2017 3:40 AM #1479586

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Op34 has a pretty good intro, but the actual fight goes to musica. Mus intro was a bit bland to me. But was better. Op didnt end it the best. The op transformation is done too much and too easy to pull off. Op form is like the easiest way to end your battle. Can't think of ending? Power up and become op. I dont like the grappling of the mus ending though. Uneeded and a bad decision by the guy who grabbed. He didnt do much with the grab. He grabbed and just held. Until she stabbee him.

Those words ^ are from Armand, not me.
I didnt say those are my critics comments. Just putting what I thought after watching. But watching the animations only to see who has better combo, ignore the rest, is wasting effort & creative for Mustika on her cinematic & angle.

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May 9, 2017 11:31 PM #1479610

Former Trash-Pivot Animator here, so I somewhat know what I'm talking about. Gives me a basis to critique, though I don't really need one.

Alright, let's see here. Just before I get in, I want to list some opinions.
1. I do not give a shoop about combos. I give a shoop about solid combat.
2. I will not judge intros, cause that doesn't really show how good the animation is. It's an intro.

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My vote goes to Mustika. Though Op was much more fluid and the 2d was great, Mustika took a more creative approach, plus the story was better.
Congrats.

PS: I have a really really long critique that isn't really organized well. RIP ME

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May 10, 2017 5:38 AM #1479622

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This is what Armand said when we chat to each other. His acc seems to be banned here. But his vote goes to Mus

Armand: Op34 has a pretty good intro, but the actual fight goes to musica. Mus intro was a bit bland to me. But was better. Op didnt end it the best. The op transformation is done too much and too easy to pull off. Op form is like the easiest way to end your battle. Can't think of ending? Power up and become op. I dont like the grappling of the mus ending though. Uneeded and a bad decision by the guy who grabbed. He didnt do much with the grab. He grabbed and just held. Until she stabbee him.

Just to make it clear, banned users can't vote on RHGs. His vote won't add to the battle results.

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May 10, 2017 12:03 PM #1479626

My vote definitely goes to Mustika. Reasons why I believe Mustika is overall better:

1.) Dynamic angles that kept me interested
2.) A better delivery of storytelling and pacing which integrates well into the fight
3.) Interaction with background objects

Whilst Op34 was objectively better in connecting hits, that's about it. There was little interaction with objects and the animation suffered from pausing a lot just to deliver their monologue's, which is SO BORING. I believe Mustika's major faults are 2 things:

(1) Way too much happening in the background and foreground WHILST dialogue is being said and with the color of the texts more or less blending with the background, it was seriously hard to read at first and;
(2) that midway decision of Op34's RHG just accepting Mustika's request to drop his weapon. Like, seriously? Why would he do that? It looked like a terrible excuse to have a fist fight. If you're going to direct a scene, put meaning into it. Don't just put random scenes just because you felt like it.

In summary,
Mustika:
+Dynamic Angles
+Kept me interested
+Better interaction with objects and characters
+Pacing was great
- Went with the typical "Drop your weapon because I said so" logic just to have a fist fight
- A lot of things are happening and/or being shown in scenes where dialogue is heavy

Op34:
+ Better overall animation (Objectively speaking)
+ Hits and combo's that flowed well
+ Some neat ideas on the choreography
- Pretty bland once you get to the first minute and you realize it's the same scenes but with just different movements and dialogue
- Suffers A LOT of pauses just for the characters to say something uninteresting
- Pacing was okay. Some parts felt like I was slugging through it though.
- It takes way too long for something to actually happen that has significance of value to the viewers

tl;dr:
Mustika did better overall. Op34 had it going for him but it got boring quick. Mustika gets my vote.

Note:
We should definitely have an RHG battle after the competition is over.

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May 11, 2017 10:39 AM #1479653

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Those words ^ are from Armand, not me.

I know and my reply was for him not for you and the reason why I quoted you is
because your the one who posted it XD

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- Make sure the character's actions make sense due to the personality and abilities. (What I said to Mustika as well).
- Try to make some backstory before entering a fight.
- Use cliches less, weaknesses more. (I personally like to make characters defeat each other because of the weaknesses, not because one guy goes super saiyan.)

1. I'm sure I nailed the personalities very well (since I ask Musti so many times to conform it) but sure I miss the abilities but I did that to make the animation interesting :3
2. I will agree that my story has a plot hole but lets be clear I really don't need to address it again if you know my character's goal -w-
3. If I did that I won't be making anything since let's be honest nothing is original anymore -w-, I did apply weaknesses and yes even my form has one if you notice it. it's just I have to make it look overpowered to make it engaging.

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May 11, 2017 12:29 PM #1479656

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I know and my reply was for him not for you and the reason why I quoted you is
because your the one who posted it XD

1. I'm sure I nailed the personalities very well (since I ask Musti so many times to conform it) but sure I miss the abilities but I did that to make the animation interesting :3
2. I will agree that my story has a plot hole but lets be clear I really don't need to address it again if you know my character's goal -w-
3. If I did that I won't be making anything since let's be honest nothing is original anymore -w-, I did apply weaknesses and yes even my form has one if you notice it. it's just I have to make it look overpowered to make it engaging.

Ey, it's your animation, if your satisfied with it, it's fine.
Just posted what I thought, it may differ. Cmon man, do you really have to try and explain away everything?
Like, cmon bruh. It feels like you actually got offended by everything I said. I could technically counter everything you said, but I won't, just cause I don't want a full-fledged argument.
Especially the spam of these -w-, like CMON BRUH

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May 11, 2017 1:38 PM #1479657

Very informative cncing going on here, specially Haru's. Finding things I really need to keep in mind in my own work, some of which I hadn't even thought about before.

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May 11, 2017 4:16 PM #1479665

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Very informative cncing going on here, specially Haru's. Finding things I really need to keep in mind in my own work, some of which I hadn't even thought about before.

Well looking at the advice given to others can be taken as advice in your own work.
I enjoyed both of these animations. But I do believe that Mustika overall did a better job. I'd go into detail but I don't want to repeat what's already been said by everyone else, they beat me all to it. Keep it up, both of you.

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May 11, 2017 11:38 PM #1479687

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do you really have to try and explain away everything?
Like, cmon bruh. It feels like you actually got offended by everything I said.

No I'm not offended to be honest just feeling like explaining myself that's all :3

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May 13, 2017 2:15 PM #1479736

So I'm pretty much 24+ hr late since this poll was closed because I wanted to post this particular something pretty much to celebrate how much people actually looked on this battle despite it taking so long to finish. [scroll down for art]

Regarding to critics I have read on this page, I have no strong reason whatsoever for either the lack of logic on my part, and my animation being too smooth on some parts (mainly the combos I'm aware). Yes, I struggled a lot when wanting to think of a very proper story but due to LOADS of consideration & internal conflicts from Op34's personality/backstory to be used in animation and a fair bit of direction attempt, this was pretty much the result. I was mainly focusing on whether I'd be able to pull out this battle based on my current knowledge of art thanks to lots of guides and tips I had received from some nice folks. Appreciate you guys' time for commenting and voting as well.

Op34 my dude, great job on the animation, mainly the combos. Cheers for the battle offer once again, I thought you would definitely rekt me since you had so much more experience in animating than I do. Turns out I won with a slight vote differences from you which is unexpected?? Idk XD Also salutation for actually implementing Emerald's backstory bit on the animation, your curiosity was worth it I think ;D Good luck with your real life stuff.

Zero I'll think about the battle challenge aight. You are way more skilled than I do that's for sure. We'll discuss that in Discord PM or something but just so you know, you have an interesting RHG in terms of current info.

For now,

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