Depends on which way you see it. Georgia is an enemy for Russia, no doubt. And I find that pretty reasonable. And I also find it reasonable that Russia's pissed of people supporting Georgia, which is giving us this WWIII scare.
So of course you've been supporting an enemy to Russia, but calling it an enemy for you would depend on how close the relation from Lithiuania to Russia actually is. If Lithuania's got a closer connection to the NATO as a whole than to Russia, you've been supporting a follower, basically. It's a tricky situation, really.
Russia and Georgia: War
Started by: Scarecrow | Replies: 32 | Views: 1,686
Sep 3, 2008 6:36 PM #243790
Sep 3, 2008 6:46 PM #243792
as i said before about 20% of people hates russia people for all that soviet thing.BUT LT would go down pretty much if Russia wouldn't support us, of course when we joined Europe we got more power as a very little country. But russia supports us the most,BUT our relationship is pretty cold between street people,not presidents and stuff.
Sep 3, 2008 9:12 PM #243866
You know were going to war with them. Russia says if we do jack shit with Georgia that it means war and they've already tested nuclear missles.
Sep 3, 2008 9:25 PM #243870
Quote from sssokay,so you told me WHY russia attacked georgia,but what about them? did they attacked for revenge,lands,or did they just fought back bcos russia attacked them first?
-.-
Lern 2 typ b4 u leik go in2 argyumints, kaykay?
If they go to war, US will get involved, naturally. They stick their noses into shit all the time. When this does happen I will go to Canada, or open quiet, unpopulated US country, and live a life of peace and quiet... We'll get attacked somewhere someday, by anyone, so I plan on not being of the vaporized, bombed, destroyed, or killed for, I'm sure, the shitty reason we got involved into some more shit.
X_X
Sep 3, 2008 9:48 PM #243881
The US advantage is that their territory is so far away. If Russia really starts to war, Europe is ****ed. And I can tell you, in the very moment, Condoleeza Rice isn't going to be in Europe.
Sep 3, 2008 9:56 PM #243886
They didn't. Georgia launched an artillery strike against one of the South Osccitian cities and killed 2000 people. South Occitia wants to become a separate country but Georgia doesn't want that, so Russia is helping them.
Sep 3, 2008 9:59 PM #243889
What I was talking about was what would happen in case that third world war really broke loose. I've posted long walls of text about Georgia already and I don't feel like repeating them.
Sep 3, 2008 10:01 PM #243890
Yeah, I was replying to the last post on the first page >_> ****ing stupid morning sight.
Anyway, Russia has more grounds to do what it is doing then America had, when it went into Iraq, or Afghanistan for that matter.
Anyway, Russia has more grounds to do what it is doing then America had, when it went into Iraq, or Afghanistan for that matter.
Sep 3, 2008 10:20 PM #243905
But America is America therefore your point is invalid.
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! Comin' again, to save the mother fuckin', yeah.
Terrorists your game is through, 'cause now you have to answer to:
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! Comin' again, to save the mother fuckin', yeah.
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! Comin' again, to save the mother fuckin', yeah.
Terrorists your game is through, 'cause now you have to answer to:
AMERICA! FUCK YEAH! Comin' again, to save the mother fuckin', yeah.
Sep 3, 2008 11:26 PM #243952
ter·ror·ism Audio Help /ˈtɛrəˌrɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
America can therefore fit into the definition of a terrorist organization then.
–noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
America can therefore fit into the definition of a terrorist organization then.
Sep 4, 2008 11:38 AM #244291
Quote from Kitsune
Lern 2 typ b4 u leik go in2 argyumints, kaykay?
well its not my fault that i dont live in a country where English is the first language
Sep 4, 2008 1:29 PM #244410
Here's the full story of what really happened, without the media bullshit, for people like sss who believe the bullshit that the media told them T_T
I wrote this up for an oral presentation I did for english today, on an issue of our choice.
All information is accurate >:(
• Since 2004, ex-president of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili has been promising Georgians that he would regain control over all Georgian territory.
• When Russia heard that Saakashvili was running for his re-election as president, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin watched and waited.
• On January 5, Saakashvili was re-elected as president of Georgia.
• In April, Putin issued an order to strengthen ties with the breakaway reigions of Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
• On April 20, a Russian fighter jet shot down a Georgian reconnaissance drone over Abkhazia.
• In response, Saakashvili then assembled 12,000 Georgian soldiers at the extremely well-fortified Senaki military base.
• On May 31, additional troops sent by Russia arrived, apparently for ‘humanitarian purposes’. The troops included 500 paratroopers and a 400 man maintenance team, who repaired segments of a railroad south of the capital Sukhumi. This opened a path necessary for transporting tanks and heavy military equipment.
• Russian fighter jets enter Georgian air space on July 8. No harm is done, but Georgia recalls its ambassador to Russia on July 10 in protest. At the same time, bomb attacks on Abkhazia kill 4 people, and Georgian nationals are the suspects.
• Abkhazian leader Sergie Bagapsh says that they are ready for war.
• On July 15, about 1,000 Americans join the Georgian army as military advisers. At the same time, about 8,000 Russian troops move to a military training facility not far from the Roki tunnel at the border between Russia and South Ossetia. Moscow claims that they are ready to “come to the aid of the Russian Peacekeepers” in South Ossetia.
• Saakashvili sent parts of his army towards South Ossetia instead of back to their barracks.
• A number of small skirmishes occurred, and Ossetians began evacuating to Russia. Evactuation was complete by August 6.
• In Georgian controlled reigions of Ossetia, fights became more intense, and involving artillery barrages.
• On the morning of August 7, Georgia had amassed their 12,000 soldiers at the border of South Ossetia. They also had 75 tanks and armoured personnel carriers in position near Gori. They were all to advance to the Roki Tunnel and seal it off within 15 hours.
• At 10:30 PM, Georgian artillery began firing on South Ossetia, and at 11:00 PM, the Georgians invaded, and Saakashvili said that the goal was the “re-establishment of constitutional order in South Ossetia”.
• The 500 Russian soldiers and peacekeepers at South Ossetia offered resistance, and the Georgian attack failed to advance further, due to inexperience.
• Russian officials attempted to contact Georgian President Saakashvili, but he was ‘unavailable’. They then contacted America, and were told that Washington was doing everything they could to get the situation under control.
• However, by the next morning, it was too late for a peaceful resolution. At 2 AM the next morning, Russian tanks, and between 5,000 and 10,000 Russian soldiers were moving through the Roki Tunnel. As well as these, there were already between 7,000 and 10,000 Russian soldiers at the Georgian-Abkhazian border, and Russian fighter air craft were patrolling.
• The war lasted for six days, and the withdrawl of Russian troops took far longer then was necessary. Key bridges, railway lines and roads were destroyed, and it could take Georgia years to recover from the war.
• Seventy-four Russian soldiers died (400, according to Georgian sources), and the Georgians lost 165 (4,000, say the Russians).
I wrote this up for an oral presentation I did for english today, on an issue of our choice.
All information is accurate >:(
• Since 2004, ex-president of Georgia Mikhail Saakashvili has been promising Georgians that he would regain control over all Georgian territory.
• When Russia heard that Saakashvili was running for his re-election as president, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin watched and waited.
• On January 5, Saakashvili was re-elected as president of Georgia.
• In April, Putin issued an order to strengthen ties with the breakaway reigions of Georgia, Abkhazia and South Ossetia.
• On April 20, a Russian fighter jet shot down a Georgian reconnaissance drone over Abkhazia.
• In response, Saakashvili then assembled 12,000 Georgian soldiers at the extremely well-fortified Senaki military base.
• On May 31, additional troops sent by Russia arrived, apparently for ‘humanitarian purposes’. The troops included 500 paratroopers and a 400 man maintenance team, who repaired segments of a railroad south of the capital Sukhumi. This opened a path necessary for transporting tanks and heavy military equipment.
• Russian fighter jets enter Georgian air space on July 8. No harm is done, but Georgia recalls its ambassador to Russia on July 10 in protest. At the same time, bomb attacks on Abkhazia kill 4 people, and Georgian nationals are the suspects.
• Abkhazian leader Sergie Bagapsh says that they are ready for war.
• On July 15, about 1,000 Americans join the Georgian army as military advisers. At the same time, about 8,000 Russian troops move to a military training facility not far from the Roki tunnel at the border between Russia and South Ossetia. Moscow claims that they are ready to “come to the aid of the Russian Peacekeepers” in South Ossetia.
• Saakashvili sent parts of his army towards South Ossetia instead of back to their barracks.
• A number of small skirmishes occurred, and Ossetians began evacuating to Russia. Evactuation was complete by August 6.
• In Georgian controlled reigions of Ossetia, fights became more intense, and involving artillery barrages.
• On the morning of August 7, Georgia had amassed their 12,000 soldiers at the border of South Ossetia. They also had 75 tanks and armoured personnel carriers in position near Gori. They were all to advance to the Roki Tunnel and seal it off within 15 hours.
• At 10:30 PM, Georgian artillery began firing on South Ossetia, and at 11:00 PM, the Georgians invaded, and Saakashvili said that the goal was the “re-establishment of constitutional order in South Ossetia”.
• The 500 Russian soldiers and peacekeepers at South Ossetia offered resistance, and the Georgian attack failed to advance further, due to inexperience.
• Russian officials attempted to contact Georgian President Saakashvili, but he was ‘unavailable’. They then contacted America, and were told that Washington was doing everything they could to get the situation under control.
• However, by the next morning, it was too late for a peaceful resolution. At 2 AM the next morning, Russian tanks, and between 5,000 and 10,000 Russian soldiers were moving through the Roki Tunnel. As well as these, there were already between 7,000 and 10,000 Russian soldiers at the Georgian-Abkhazian border, and Russian fighter air craft were patrolling.
• The war lasted for six days, and the withdrawl of Russian troops took far longer then was necessary. Key bridges, railway lines and roads were destroyed, and it could take Georgia years to recover from the war.
• Seventy-four Russian soldiers died (400, according to Georgian sources), and the Georgians lost 165 (4,000, say the Russians).
Sep 4, 2008 2:07 PM #244440
I don't think this'd start WW3. If it does, I'm hella happy I live in sweden.
Sep 4, 2008 2:15 PM #244443
Quote from StrillsI don't think this'd start WW3. If it does, I'm hella happy I live in sweden.
Still closer than me though =3
Sep 4, 2008 10:01 PM #244743
Yes but the sweds are a neutral country.