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hey! i resent that!! well iam 12 but still... anyway on topic its kinda hard to debate... its all up to the deity/deities/science fiction author(s)/overlord(s)/Optimus Prime of the religion/pseudo-religion/cult/clubhouse that the person(s) reading this post belong(s) to/do(es) not belong to

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What we concieve as infinite is interesting, because even if there is an end to the universe, like, would you bump into a wall or something? What defines that ending? But to throw in my opinion, I believe that the universe is infinite, but not quite how you might think. Here's my theory:

The big bang created a large outburst of energy that is still raging, and, theoretically, getting bigger harder faster stronger every day. Where there is matter, or some sort of magnetic, gravitational, or whatever it might be, field, some sort of energy, this is what we think of as the universe. Beyond this is an infinite stretch of absolute zero. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_zero)

What is in this field of still, cold, no energy stretch is also a mystery, for all we know there may actually be multiple big bangs, that you could think of how you think of galaxies, but on a MUCH grander scale. If this is true, there would be no possible way that you could actually reach these other masses and onsets from big bangs, which would literally classify them as other universes.

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Why? Well, look at radioactive elements. They always decay, over time, into more stable elements. If the Universe was infinite, we would have run out of radioactive elements a whole helluvu long time ago, wouldn't you say?
Yet here on earth we happen to have Uranium, plutonium, and others.

Radioactive isotopes and such are constantly created. For example Nitrogen-14 is hit by radioactive waves from space and turned into Carbon-14 (what we use for carbon dating). As soon as carbon-14 is created it starts to decay back into nitrogen-14, releasing its radioactivity to affect some other atoms.

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If anybody will bring religion into this, I will take care of him personally.

I'll actually subscribe myself to this thread, and I never subscribe to threads.

I think we can't really know this, since our technology, as Nobody previously stated. I agree with the theory though, that our universe keeps expanding. And one day it will collapse and destroy everything, though nobody will be alive to see it.

I'm shaking in my boots.
Actually, God is the only logical solution. When you consider the second law of thermodynamics (and saying its misinterpreted is just a cop-out) and all its implications, Plus the evidences like carbon-14 in the atmosphere that has not yet reached equilibrium and the excess helium in zircon crystals that show that radioactive decay has not been constant, and how we have never found a star being formed, all imply that the earth and universe are in fact relatively young. I know some of you will probably bring up the distance of galaxies and the speed of light, But don't you think that an omnipotent God capable of creating a universe would be able to take care of that?
When you tell me all the reasons i'm wrong, please remain emotionally detached. I couldn't formulate this well at the moment but I'll be happy to respond as well as I can to any questions.

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Radioactive isotopes and such are constantly created. For example Nitrogen-14 is hit by radioactive waves from space and turned into Carbon-14 (what we use for carbon dating). As soon as carbon-14 is created it starts to decay back into nitrogen-14, releasing its radioactivity to affect some other atoms.

This is true. Did you know however, that the founder of carbon-14 dating calculated that from the earths formation, it would take just 30,000 years to reach equilibrium of carbon-14 to nitrogen ratios. The atmosphere has not yet reached equilibrium. Concrete evidence that the earth is less than 30,000 years old.

holy fuck guy, you bumped a 2 year old thread that is specifically "don't talk about religion here" to talk about religion AND insult an ex moderator?

the people you are talking don't even come to this forum any more, and you think you can win a scientific debate by saying "none of this has been proven so obviously god did it"?

what is your problem?

lol whats your problem? he gave a valid point but i guess atheists are more narrow-minded than they say they are...