I dont believe in global warming. I dont know about elsewhere but where i live we had one of the coldest winters in a long time. Also if global warming is real i dont believe it is caused by us i think it is just a cycle of the earth.

As Strelok said, we're speeding it up.
It's not supposed to happen as quick as it is right now.

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I dont believe in global warming. I dont know about elsewhere but where i live we had one of the coldest winters in a long time. Also if global warming is real i dont believe it is caused by us i think it is just a cycle of the earth.

Global warming, despite the name, does not necessarily mean the planet getting warmer everywhere. Often the term refers to a general climate change towards more extreme weather conditions of which a cold winter would not be uncharacteristic.

I suspect the answer to your question is human nature, but did you mean rises a few degrees?

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Just because the temp. at the poles drops a few degrees, everyone loses there minds. Why is that?

The difference between the average global temperature between now and the ice age is only a few degrees. It takes very little to make big changes.

Dragon you can't be sure we never had a climate change this fast, unless you have some proof of thousands of years ago. Or hundreds of thousands. Or maybe even a million years ago.

What I'm thinking is that we don't have anything to do with this. Climate shifts aren't something shocking on this planet. Climates have dropped since the dinosaurs, drastically in the ice age and then it rose again. But were we there?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Dragon you can't be sure we never had a climate change this fast, unless you have some proof of thousands of years ago. Or hundreds of thousands. Or maybe even a million years ago.

What I'm thinking is that we don't have anything to do with this. Climate shifts aren't something shocking on this planet. Climates have dropped since the dinosaurs, drastically in the ice age and then it rose again. But were we there?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

So what do you suggest? We just assume that it isn't our fault, even though there is plenty evidence linking CO2 emissions to a rise in temperature? Even though there is evidence that we have never had a change this fast?

Sure there isn't proof, but in science we rarely have proof for anything anyways. It's clear to me you haven't looked at the numbers, and the numbers are saying that what this is is not natural.

EDIT: I mean, I hope that this is just a natural change and that everything will go back to normal in a few years or decades. I really hope it isn't us causing this. I just don't think it is natural.

Let me give you some numbers (This sounds pretty rude, but cool at the same time, sorry).

4.5 Billion.
How long the earth's been here (in years), probably, if the big-bang theory is correct. In this time, the Earth's seen about everything you can imagine; Chickens the size of trees, Lizards the size of trees, meteor showers, many climate changes and much more.


200
The amount of time (in years again) that the heavy industry is here.

50
The amount of time (years blahblah) the climate is drastically shifting.



I have two questions and a remark or whatever I should name it:
1). Do you think that all those climate shifts aren't just a natural process? Just like years ago during these ice ages and whatnot, when we weren't even there with our beautiful giant cigarrettes, coming from the ground?
Ya really think 50 years makes a difference?

2). And why would the climate suddenly change? We've been going for it for 150 years and then all of a sudden we did it?

Remark or w/e). This seems to me like some giant ego problem.
'Somethings happening! Did we do it?'
Standard thinking for someone who thinks he's cool for dropping bombs on innocent people.

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Let me give you some numbers (This sounds pretty rude, but cool at the same time, sorry).

4.5 Billion.
How long the earth's been here (in years), probably, if the big-bang theory is correct. In this time, the Earth's seen about everything you can imagine; Chickens the size of trees, Lizards the size of trees, meteor showers, many climate changes and much more.


200
The amount of time (in years again) that the heavy industry is here.

50
The amount of time (years blahblah) the climate is drastically shifting.



I have two questions and a remark or whatever I should name it:
1). Do you think that all those climate shifts aren't just a natural process? Just like years ago during these ice ages and whatnot, when we weren't even there with our beautiful giant cigarrettes, coming from the ground?
Ya really think 50 years makes a difference?

2). And why would the climate suddenly change? We've been going for it for 150 years and then all of a sudden we did it?

Remark or w/e). This seems to me like some giant ego problem.
'Somethings happening! Did we do it?'
Standard thinking for someone who thinks he's cool for dropping bombs on innocent people.

Okay, giant chickens used to walk the earth. Pretty cool, but completely irrelevant.

1) Think about your logic here. Long and hard. You are saying that because earth's climate has changed independently of humans before, it must be changing independently of humans now. Do you realise how enormous an assumption that is? You are the chicken assuming that because the farmer has fed you delicious food each morning the past 1000 days, he will for ever. It doesn't work that way, one day he'll chop your head off and eat you.

2) The climate would suddenly change because suddenly the atmosphere is full of CO2 and other climate gasses. It also happens that humans have been creating and releasing an enormous ammount of CO2 and other climate gasses recently. I don't get how it's arrogant to think that when we release CO2 into the atmosphere, the ammount of CO2 in the atmosphere increases.

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2). And why would the climate suddenly change? We've been going for it for 150 years and then all of a sudden we did it?

The CO2 emmisions have not been constant for all those two hundred years. Here's a graph



Our CO2 emmisions are exponential, not linear.

And just in case not everyone reads the "what's right?" topic I would like to reiterate my apology here:

I want to apologise where everyone who uses the debate forums will see it for my thread the other day in which I insulted the US and its citizens with gross over-generalisation and negative stereotypes which I recognise are, for the most part, untrue. I read back over what I wrote and am ashamed of myself and I want people to know that I did not soley intend to cause offense. It won't happen again.

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1) Think about your logic here. Long and hard. You are saying that because earth's climate has changed independently of humans before, it must be changing independently of humans now. Do you realise how enormous an assumption that is? You are the chicken assuming that because the farmer has fed you delicious food each morning the past 1000 days, he will for ever. It doesn't work that way, one day he'll chop your head off and eat you.

2) The climate would suddenly change because suddenly the atmosphere is full of CO2 and other climate gasses. It also happens that humans have been creating and releasing an enormous ammount of CO2 and other climate gasses recently. I don't get how it's arrogant to think that when we release CO2 into the atmosphere, the ammount of CO2 in the atmosphere increases.

A chicken getting his head chopped is something completely different, for both the farmer and the chicken are alive.
And I haven't seen our planet be alive in that way.

Also, the air wouldn't suddenly be pumped up with CO2. We've been going at it for couple hundred years, yes it increased, but it didn't show any signs back then. No, it gave us a little ice age.


Also, I just want to say that I do believe in global warming, it is there, but only one percent or so of it is 'man-made'. We help it a little, yes of course we do, but it's not like it can be stopped.

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A chicken getting his head chopped is something completely different, for both the farmer and the chicken are alive.
And I haven't seen our planet be alive in that way.

Also, the air wouldn't suddenly be pumped up with CO2. We've been going at it for couple hundred years, yes it increased, but it didn't show any signs back then. No, it gave us a little ice age.


Also, I just want to say that I do believe in global warming, it is there, but only one percent or so of it is 'man-made'. We help it a little, yes of course we do, but it's not like it can be stopped.

The little ice age ended in about 1850. Coincidentally, that's about the same time were started to release any kind of significant amount of CO2 into the atmosphere (as proved by Zed's graph above). Before this time, our CO2 emissions were negligible, making it impossible for the CO2 emissions to have "given" us an ice age, as you say above. So, following this logic, we should still be in an ice age now, if it were not for our CO2 emissions boosting the temperature so much.

Wow, ya misunderstood me.
I didn't mean the CO2 was the cause of the ice age.

You're making the point that natural fluctuations cause large, noticable shifts in climate, yes?

That is a reasonable statement but it doesn't necessarily prove that we aren't responsible for what's happening now. It is possible that the little ice age was an extreme example with all factors working together to cool things down and now everything is at average except for us pushing it up.