http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410



Terrifying truth, or cherry picking anti islamic propaganda?

cherry picking anti islamic propaganda. but i'm always a skeptic so my opinion doesn't matter

It's nothing more than racist propaganda. There are passages in the Bible at least as bad as those they quote from the Quran. 99% of Muslims are perfectly good, law abiding, tolerant people. Its that last 1% that get all the attention and ruin it for the rest.

I notice that the Islamic Jihad preachers aren't rushing forward themselves to blow themselves up. That's because to them this is just a way of making themselves feel powerful. They know that what they're doing is wrong - they just get their kicks from watching others follow them blindly.

I had this debate countless times at the dutch forum I moderate at, and I'm ashamed to say that there are a lot of people who think it's "a terrifying truth".
Geert Wilders is a sad little man if you ask me, he didn't get his fact right and he can't go back to a normal life because he'll be shot or stabbed or whatever.
He showed a picture of a dutch rapper instead of one of Mohammad B (The killer of Theo van Gogh). He was completely sloppy in more occasions in the "movie" which is more like a power point presentation. He shows the Danish cartoon in the first version also without consulting the artist, who later sues him for it. Same goes for some of the music he uses.
Also he shows a child covered in blood and implies that is something all Muslims do on a regular basis while it actually for starters isn't the child's blood and actually is a "local tradition" and isn't Islamic.
I'm no specialist, but I've heard most of the texts he uses are riped out of context are are "stories about Mohammad" and not dictates of what a Muslim should or should not do. (as far as my knowledge stretches, it does not state in the Koran you should wage war on all infidels).

Nonetheless, you can't compare the Koran to the bible since the Koran is so outdated, the bible has been "upgraded" to fit common language or morals several times. Like the first few versions are pretty much anti-feminist and such. The Koran should get and upgrade too if you ask me. But as it is, the true Islamic religion is not a threat.

It's partially propaganda and partially truth.

The way it portrays the Qu'ran is perfectly accurate from what I've heard (I can't be assed to watch the film all the way through). The book really is as violent and as horrible as he says.

While not all Muslims, and in fact most Muslims are not like that at all, the book itself isn't all that pleasant.

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It's nothing more than racist propaganda. There are passages in the Bible at least as bad as those they quote from the Quran.

And the bible is just about as bad, though honestly the bible's a bit more tame.

I notice that the Islamic Jihad preachers aren't rushing forward themselves to blow themselves up. That's because to them this is just a way of making themselves feel powerful. They know that what they're doing is wrong - they just get their kicks from watching others follow them blindly.

Actually, I'm sure that many of them actually beleive that what they are doing is a just action.

Furthermore, I suggest some of you read The Cow, the second part of the Quran.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/2/

The entire book is about how you shouldn't feel sorry for the unbeleivers, how they will die horribly, and how you should kill them or drive them away if they don't believe in allah.

People act like this stuff is "Taken out of Context", but if you sit down and read it, you see that the "good stuff" is at about a 1:9 to bad stuff.

Good Stuff
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/good/long.html

Bad Stuff
Cruelty:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html
Intolerance:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/int/long.html
Injustice:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/inj/long.html
Women:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

And that's not even all. Those lists are a work in progress.

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It's partially propaganda and partially truth.

The way it portrays the Qu'ran is perfectly accurate from what I've heard (I can't be assed to watch the film all the way through). The book really is as violent and as horrible as he says.

While not all Muslims, and in fact most Muslims are not like that at all, the book itself isn't all that pleasant.


And the bible is just about as bad, though honestly the bible's a bit more tame.


Actually, I'm sure that many of them actually beleive that what they are doing is a just action.

Furthermore, I suggest some of you read The Cow, the second part of the Quran.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/2/

The entire book is about how you shouldn't feel sorry for the unbeleivers, how they will die horribly, and how you should kill them or drive them away if they don't believe in allah.

People act like this stuff is "Taken out of Context", but if you sit down and read it, you see that the "good stuff" is at about a 1:9 to bad stuff.

Good Stuff
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/good/long.html

Bad Stuff
Cruelty:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html
Intolerance:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/int/long.html
Injustice:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/inj/long.html
Women:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/women/long.html

And that's not even all. Those lists are a work in progress.

Gold! :')
"Menstruation is a sickness. Don't have sex with menstruating women. 2:222"

Although You make a good point, I'm still convinced Fitna is an atrocity.
He might have some facts right about how the Koran goes out of bounds, he puts it down as if all Muslims are bad because their holy book is as it is.

I agree with you there, Muslims are generally nice, peaceful people.

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I agree with you there, Muslims are generally nice, peaceful people.

And the biggest laugh of all, Wilders is being sued, and now everyone is saying "that's going too far!".
I love that, first say that Muslims are uncivilized and don't blend in with western tradition, then they do the most western thing you can, sue someone, and now they're out of line. :')

Are there any Muslims on this forum who would be willing to state their position? I would be interested to hear from them.

I think there was one here a few years ago...

Kaas, I hate how you get your opinion from the Tv News. Seriously, I'm fu[SIZE="2"]c[/SIZE]king raging on how you are trying to make him look like an ass and spreading propaganda because he used the wrong photo for Mohamed B as an accident. If you'd google his name, you'd get the same damn pic.

Seriously, Geert Wilders actually has a fu[SIZE="2"]ckin[/SIZE]g point and this isn't propaganda. Not saying I like the man (using the military to keep youngsters from the streets, what the fu[SIZE="2"]c[/SIZE]k?!?!), but this actually is quite true. You should be worried about the islam.

I mean, assuming the bible came 700 years before the Q'ran and the inquisition was about that long ago, those fu[SIZE="2"]ckers [/SIZE]are right on time!

Well, the Bible might as well have been written in the fourth century because Emporor Constantine edited it all and took out 90% of the stuff which didn't agree with how the Roman politics needed Christianity to be at the time but I see your point.

However, I think saying that we should be worried about Islam as a whole is going a bit to far. 95%+ of Muslims are good people (in so far as any human is good). What we should be worried about is religious extremism and people saying that anyone who doesn't follow our religion is wrong and must die. Muslims aren't the only people who do this (I think the KKK were as bad although I won't claim any sort of authority or knowledge on that one) and saying that we should be worried about islam as a whole is dangerously close to what the Islamic Jihadists are doing from the other side.

I'm going to have to disagree with you about whether we should worry about Islam. While it is true that there are muslim extremists, most terrorist attacks aren't a perversion of Islamic doctrine, they are an expression of it. We have to worry that some people who are taught the Islamic doctrine just might have the courage of their convictions and wage Jihad. The book itself says to do this stuff, so we should worry about the religion that professes to be based on the book.

But equally, surely we must worry that someone will see the passages of the old tetament and "God's" orders to destroy any uncircumcised male (it is in there) and wage war in the name of Christianity/Judaism.

And I am equally worried about that. In fact, I've posted a lot about it, that many "extremists" are the ones who adhere the closest to the bible.