@Kaas.

Masturbation and using a condom isn't the same as actually aborting a child. As the sperm haven't fertilized the egg, and haven't formed a zygote.

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So, basicly it's only the mothers responsibility to have unprotected sex?
There can be a lot of preasure from men to not use a condom
"come on hun, you're on the pill, what possibly could go wrong? Without condom is so much more fun" etc etc.
And YES that happens. Everyone saying "only rape victims should be able to abort" are being totally shortsighted. We're talking about humans here people, not robots, they make mistakes and if there is a possibility to undo that mistake why not use it? If abortion is murder, then why isn't masturbation murder? Or using a condom for the sake of contradiction.

Sperm is different to a fertilised egg, let's not muddle up haploids and diploids now. And I never said masturbation isn't murder, but that's a different debate.

No contraception is a big mistake to make, one that you mus deal with the consequences. In today's society I think there are too many "quick-fixes", everyone gets out of everything too easily, even in prison. Again, that's a different debate but linked to abortion.

It's half the mother's responsibility to use contraception, but if there isn't any someone should speak up. I think that by having unprotected sex then both people are showing they are ready to deal with the consequences of their actions. They're not children (at least I hope children aren't having sex) so they are mature enough to know they are having unrpotected sex and what it might entail. The father should not simply run away like a coward but should face up to his responsibilities too, like the mother.

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@Kaas.

Masturbation and using a condom isn't the same as actually aborting a child. As the sperm haven't fertilized the egg, and haven't formed a zygote.

A zygote still isn't a sentient being, so why is abortion murder and killer sperms isn't?

This makes me think about a monty phyton scetch about catholics.

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Sperm is different to a fertilised egg, let's not muddle up haploids and diploids now. And I never said masturbation isn't murder, but that's a different debate.

No contraception is a big mistake to make, one that you mus deal with the consequences. In today's society I think there are too many "quick-fixes", everyone gets out of everything too easily, even in prison. Again, that's a different debate but linked to abortion.

It's half the mother's responsibility to use contraception, but if there isn't any someone should speak up. I think that by having unprotected sex then both people are showing they are ready to deal with the consequences of their actions. They're not children (at least I hope children aren't having sex) so they are mature enough to know they are having unrpotected sex and what it might entail. The father should not simply run away like a coward but should face up to his responsibilities too, like the mother.

Well a fertilized egg is also different from a sentient being, so what is your point?

Also, the main reason abortion should be more acceptable is because children are having sex... so again... what is your point?

And you might say "the father should not simply run away like a coward", but he will often do, that's the big problem about this, the women are in a big disadvantage here, so I say, give em the possibility to right their wrong. The world doesn't need more unwanted baby's like pirate said so perfectly.

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Well a fertilized egg is also different from a sentient being, so what is your point?

Also, the main reason abortion should be more acceptable is because children are having sex... so again... what is your point?

And you might say "the father should not simply run away like a coward", but he will often do, that's the big problem about this, the women are in a big disadvantage here, so I say, give em the possibility to right their wrong. The world doesn't need more unwanted baby's like pirate said so perfectly.

If this child thinks they're old enough and mature enough to be having sex then they are old enough and mature enough to deal with the consequences of their actions.

Yes, many fathers do run away but women should know this before they choose unprotected sex.

My reply to Pirate's post was in "Pro choice or pro life" but I'm not sure where that is.

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If this child thinks they're old enough and mature enough to be having sex then they are old enough and mature enough to deal with the consequences of their actions.

Yes, many fathers do run away but women should know this before they choose unprotected sex.

My reply to Pirate's post was in "Pro choice or pro life" but I'm not sure where that is.

Yet again you fail to see trough to how humans are humans.
It's "societies fault" that children have sex, if there is a solution, why, I ask you again, why not use it? Just to learn them a lesson?
What about the child? Should the child pay because his parents where ignorant?

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If this child thinks they're old enough and mature enough to be having sex then they are old enough and mature enough to deal with the consequences of their actions.

are you kidding?

these dumb kids who get knocked up are not smart enough to look after themselves, LET ALONE a ****ing new human being.


both lives would be devastated. child isn't raised properly, mother looses all sembalance of her own life (career, eductation, social)


kids having kids is not a good idea and don't say 'Oh but she might have a life experience, having a baby might turn her life around', get out of the bubble, lifes not ****ing hollywood.

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Yet again you fail to see trough to how humans are humans.
It's is "societies fault" that children have sex, if there is a solution, why, I ask you again, why not use it? Just to learn them a lesson?
What about the child? Should the child pay because his parents where ignorant?

I have no idea what you just said, check your grammar and spelling and rephrase it.

The spelling was aaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwright.

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I have no idea what you just said, check your grammar and spelling and rephrase it.

Apart from the "it's is" it should be perfectly clear.
You might get a little bit mixed up with the "asking you again" but there nothing wrong with it.

Has anybody just googled "aborted babies"...It's just awful to think that this could be happening right now.

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Has anybody just googled "aborted babies"...It's just awful to think that this could be happening right now.

These die for you food.




But you know what's awful too? Child-neglection.

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These die for you food.




But you know what's awful too? Child-neglection.

How the **** can you compare a human life - a baby with a calf?

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How the **** can you compare a human life - a baby with a calf?

Ow you're one of those?



Aborted "baby's" aren't sentient.

That may be but they can feel pain at like 6-8 weeks into pregnancy, that's when you get signs that you are pregnant, it has bones at 6-8 weeks and has a working nerval
system.

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That may be but they can feel pain at like 6-8 weeks into pregnancy, that's when you get signs that you are pregnant, it has bones at 6-8 weeks and has a working nerval
system.

A aborted baby has a lot less suffering then a neglected child, also it doesn't screw up th parents life.