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Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM #468243
If humans thought the sun revolved around the earth, how did they record years?
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Jul 29, 2009 4:29 PM #468248
Possibly, the years of the geocentric universe were the "Draconic" years. Look that sucker up.
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Jul 29, 2009 4:40 PM #468251
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If humans thought the sun revolved around the earth, how did they record years?


By recording the movement of stars in the sky.
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Jul 29, 2009 6:37 PM #468291
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By recording the movement of stars in the sky.

Even on cloudy nights?
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Jul 29, 2009 6:50 PM #468297
An old man with early astronomical instruments steps out of a stone and marble building onto a tall tower. He has been recording the movement of the stars as they relate to the passage of seasons for 46 years, out every night to record the positions of the stars in the sky. He is the latest of a long line of like-minded men who over several generations recorded the stars to find the secrets of the stars, to discover why they seem to predict the lives of people on the Earth. He realizes that he is close to pinpointing exactly how long a year is. The night is dark. A leaf flies past his face, propelled by a gust of wind.


The man looks up at the sky, and sees... the sky is covered in clouds. This night, he can not see the stars. So he burns the 300 years of records because of one cloudy night.


Leedon, you have a brain. Try using it.
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Jul 29, 2009 7:08 PM #468306
So I'll stay a out of debate section. Again.
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Jul 29, 2009 7:12 PM #468309
You don't have to stay out of the section, you need to take our abuse. Trust me,you'll catch on, everyone here has to take the same abuse, and it has caused the strength of mind that members like Dragon and Schall have.
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Jul 29, 2009 7:42 PM #468325
I find it hard to believe that people who believed the world was flat wrote down all the star charts. I find it even more difficult to believe that they were so accurate and looked enough to figure win a year has passed.
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Jul 29, 2009 8:48 PM #468349
Haha, wow. You really think that people who had little enough critical thinking skills that they believed the Earth was flat were so preoccupied with their agriculture-revolving lives that they didn't notice the ****ing incredible beauty of the night sky free of air and light pollution, that they weren't awed by it's mystery, and knew that it had no significance in their agricultural endeavors?

No, any human being who looks up at a clear night sky far from all the light that cities cast which obscure the star-filled sky in our civilization would be AWED by the sight, wonder what those lights are, and then immediately try to explain them. These explanations become superstitions, and they start connecting stars to see shapes in them. Then someone starts charting the positions of these stars, and notices that their positions change as time wears on.

Furthermore, it's blatantly obvious when a year has passed. Anyone who lives long enough will notice that a pattern of the seasons: cold winter gives way to warm, wet spring, gives way to dry hot summer, then chilly windy fall, and then back to winter. That is the basis by which the general time frame of a year come to be: in an attempt to better plan agricultural pursuits, finding out the average of how long each season is would be essential to producing an effective harvest.
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Jul 29, 2009 9:14 PM #468363
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Haha, wow. You really think that people who had little enough critical thinking skills that they believed the Earth was flat were so preoccupied with their agriculture-revolving lives that they didn't notice the ****ing incredible beauty of the night sky free of air and light pollution, that they weren't awed by it's mystery, and knew that it had no significance in their agricultural endeavors?

No, any human being who looks up at a clear night sky far from all the light that cities cast which obscure the star-filled sky in our civilization would be AWED by the sight, wonder what those lights are, and then immediately try to explain them. These explanations become superstitions, and they start connecting stars to see shapes in them. Then someone starts charting the positions of these stars, and notices that their positions change as time wears on.

Furthermore, it's blatantly obvious when a year has passed. Anyone who lives long enough will notice that a pattern of the seasons: cold winter gives way to warm, wet spring, gives way to dry hot summer, then chilly windy fall, and then back to winter. That is the basis by which the general time frame of a year come to be: in an attempt to better plan agricultural pursuits, finding out the average of how long each season is would be essential to producing an effective harvest.


Congratulations sir, you win the debate thread. ಠ_ಠ
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Jul 30, 2009 2:31 AM #468516
Also, nobody ever believed the world was flat; it's a myth.
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Jul 30, 2009 2:32 AM #468518
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Also, nobody ever believed the world was flat; it's a myth.


Haha, funny.

In the case that you are serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth
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Jul 30, 2009 8:17 AM #468594
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Congratulations sir, you win the debate thread. ಠ_ಠ


He already knew that.

Ash has always won the debate thread.
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Jul 30, 2009 1:24 PM #468674
I don't think that's exactly true. Debate for me is the pursuit of truth: I like to believe as many true things as possible. I have had my mind changed in debate about a great many things in the past, so when that happens, have I won or lost? I count it as a win because I am closer to believing nothing but the truth than I was before, but others say that if you force your opponent to change their mind then you have won. I don't think it's possible to "lose" a debate unless you hold on to a completely discredited belief afterward. For example, if I am debating a moon landing conspiracy theorist, and they are convinced that that the moon landing was faked, and their main piece of evidence was the lack of stars in the sky, then I explained to them the concept of nighttime photography vs daytime photography, and I further systematically discredited every "disproof" they came up with, and in they end they were left with nothing but continued to believe it, then I would call that a win for me. Changing your mind or having your mind changed is a win, and the other person wins for winning you over.
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Jul 30, 2009 2:23 PM #468690
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Haha, funny.

In the case that you are serious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth


He is serious, and refers to the common misconception that leading Christians during the middle ages believed the world was flat. You know, the whole Columbus story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth_mythology
That people never believed the world was flat is wrong, though. As you pointed out.

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You don't have to stay out of the section, you need to take our abuse. Trust me,you'll catch on, everyone here has to take the same abuse, and it has caused the strength of mind that members like Dragon and Schall have.


I never took any abuse:(


As for recording years, I believe many of the ancient cultures didn't really record which year they were in exactly, but rather which king/pharao/leader they were under, and how far into his reign they were. And as Ash said, it is obvious when a year has passed from the seasons.
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