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You mean Christian? They're a very peaceful bunch. I know a Christian.

I knew a thuggee worshiper of the death godess Kali once. Perfectly nice chap until you got him round the caravans...

religion can't disappear. Everyone at some point ask why am i here who brought me here, a theory say's that God was made from man so that he can escape the darkness and though he is all alone. the thought of a higher Power looking down at them and on judgment day he will either be in a place with no worry or he will burn for eternity. I don't know how to expected the answer to be but what we fail to realize we are all alike. it's our choices that define us. But what do we know? a bunch of stuff on google and theory's and whatnot. Why don't we just wait in till the end and see what happens. If you die. Ur brain is dead so you can't process thought or dreams or sleep u will shutdown. Or is there a little more? all i can say is people are so desperate to find an answer that some submit themselves to proof. but hey. i think we can wait and find out for ourselves right?

edit: Also it say's Some where i forget. " Don't place a god/something higher then me" but most people put themselves in front of everything before they reach the point where they need help from there God.

Quote from soulless

religion can't disappear. Everyone at some point ask why am i here who brought me here, a theory say's that God was made from man so that he can escape the darkness and though he is all alone. the thought of a higher Power looking down at them and on judgment day he will either be in a place with no worry or he will burn for eternity. I don't know how to expected the answer to be but what we fail to realize we are all alike. it's our choices that define us. But what do we know? a bunch of stuff on google and theory's and whatnot. Why don't we just wait in till the end and see what happens. If you die. Ur brain is dead so you can't process thought or dreams or sleep u will shutdown. Or is there a little more? all i can say is people are so desperate to find an answer that some submit themselves to proof. but hey. i think we can wait and find out for ourselves right?

edit: Also it say's Some where i forget. " Don't place a god/something higher then me" but most people put themselves in front of everything before they reach the point where they need help from there God.

I'm sure that all sounded really smart when you were writing it, but that post wasn't nearly as poignant as you think. All you did is state something that could have been summed up in two sentences, both of which were already known to all of us: "We are all looking for meaning in life. We don't know what happens after we die".

No shit, Sherlock.


What this thread is about is whether the belief in a religion makes the world a better place. Your post didn't advance the topic at all. Try actually addressing the topic in future posts.

Oh, and always proofread your posts. You didn't use any capitalization, and your grammar is horrendous.

EDIT: It says that in the "ten commandments", but not in those words. It says not to put any GOD before Yaweh. It doesn't say not to put anything else before him. But then again, it also says the following:

19 " 'When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening.

20 " 'Anything she lies on during her period will be unclean, and anything she sits on will be unclean. 21 Whoever touches her bed must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 22 Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. 23 Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.

24 " 'If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean.

Quote from Ash

Would the world be better? Depends on the method. If everyone in the world came to a sudden realization that there are no gods, then chaos would ensue. Not because the belief in a god holds people to a moral standard, but because so many people THINK that it does. When a person thinks that the only thing that prevents them from killing, raping, stealing, etc. is no longer there, then they don't stop to think "well, are there any other reasons not to do this stuff?" No, they don't, they just do those things.

If the method was a steady decline of religion as a result of improving people's critical thinking skills, then yes, the world would be a better place. I submit that the vast majority, if not ALL, of the population of suicide bombers consists of people who have faith that they will be rewarded in the afterlife. You can't get from "I don't believe in God" to "I'm going to perform this action". There is no logical link there that could be made.

Not only that, but teaching better critical thinking skills would eliminate all supernatural beliefs. No more ESP, no more Loch Ness Monster, no more ghosts, no more magic furniture rearrangers, etc.


Would the world be better off without religion? Yes.

I'm guessing your athesit thye all say that.

Quote from Stephen95

I'm guessing your athesit thye all say that.

Yes, I am an atheist. If you'd like, we can discuss the matter. I'd be glad for you to try to convince me that a god exists, especially if my eternal soul is at stake.

Quote from Ash

I'm sure that all sounded really smart when you were writing it, but that post wasn't nearly as poignant as you think. All you did is state something that could have been summed up in two sentences, both of which were already known to all of us: "We are all looking for meaning in life. We don't know what happens after we die".

No shit, Sherlock.


What this thread is about is whether the belief in a religion makes the world a better place. Your post didn't advance the topic at all. Try actually addressing the topic in future posts.

Oh, and always proofread your posts. You didn't use any capitalization, and your grammar is horrendous.

EDIT: It says that in the "ten commandments", but not in those words. It says not to put any GOD before Yaweh. It doesn't say not to put anything else before him. But then again, it also says the following:

you are right, you did break it into two sentences but, it was addressing the topic, Why do we still follow some of the way's that they used before and yet the topic/discussion on religion and god has never been resolved. There are just forces out there that we just can't comprehend. Why is there a need to know? i think that just makes things more complicated.

EDIT: and The only real thing i will take from your reply is my grammar is indeed horrendous

Quote from soulless

you are right, you did break it into two sentences but, it was addressing the topic, Why do we still follow some of the way's that they used before and yet the topic/discussion on religion and god has never been resolved. There are just forces out there that we just can't comprehend. Why is there a need to know? i think that just makes things more complicated.

EDIT: and The only real thing i will take from your reply is my grammar is indeed horrendous

It's always easy for people to say "There are forces out there we just can't comprehend", but when it's really just an empty statement if you don't actually say which forces you are talking about.

And the topic hasn't been resolved because people didn't start criticizing it until people like Thomas Jefferson and Bertrand Russel came along about 200 years ago. But because it's such an emotional topic, people don't want to listen when people challenge each other on the subject.

What we're seeing since the dawn of the internet is a massive migration towards knowledge and away from ignorance and superstition. Where many public schools in the United States, as well as many other countries, are avoiding controversial subjects like the history of Christianity and the science behind evolution, there are people actually able to learn about this from the internet instead of only being exposed to the bastardized version that is talked about by many religious people.

Likewise, the recent upsurge of books promoting atheism has been met with excellent sales. Look at The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins and God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens: Both books were international bestsellers, even in the United States, which is decidedly one of the more religious countries int he world.

All of this, coupled with statistics that show that atheism is the fastest-growing category in religion shows that the topic is being resolved.

Quote from Ash

Yes, I am an atheist. If you'd like, we can discuss the matter. I'd be glad for you to try to convince me that a god exists, especially if my eternal soul is at stake.

This fellow right here St.Padre Pio proves that God exists.
As you can see in the picture he has the wounds of Christ
people who saw him are still alive today this was about 40-50 years ago.
He was able to be in two places at once and levitate.If this guy was around a 1,000 years ago Atheist's would say the Chruch made it up but no Iwittness's are still alive.

*sits back*

This is gonna be a fantastic show.

Ash, smart atheist VS Stephen95, general dumbass. We've all seen Ash discuss these things with people with an IQ above 10 but this is a new show. I'm going to sit back, relax and enjoy this.

Quote from Stephen95

This fellow right here St.Padre Pio proves that God exists.
As you can see in the picture he has the wounds of Christ
people who saw him are still alive today this was about 40-50 years ago.
He was able to be in two places at once and levitate.If this guy was around a 1,000 years ago Atheist's would say the Chruch made it up but no Iwittness's are still alive.

Stigmata is not proof that god exists. It is merely proof that this guy has bleeding hands.

Describe this man's ailment to me. Does he just have holes through his hands, or are they somehow special?

Souless, feel free to jump in. Go grab some friends, too, if you'd like.

In response to the point about girls on their period bein unclean I'd like to counter with have you ever seen a bleeding vagina?
I haven't but I presume that shit is nasty.

After some research, I have come to the conclusion that menstrual bleeding is indeed "Nasty shit"
If anyone would like me to cite my sources let me know.

But don't you think that being considered unclean for even touching a girl on their period is a bit... Wrong? It engenders fear and results in people becoming ostracized from society.

And that's just one of the odd/immoral laws, btw.

Google search menstrual bleeding and come back.

Do some research man, you can't just go around touching bitches when there's blood on your dick, man.

That shit is ****ed up, I can't believe you touch a bloody vagina.

You are wrong and I don't wish to speak with you any further more.