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Sep 11, 2009 8:25 PM #486341
Haha, yeah, I'm gonna step out of this one, don't want to start that up again. Your points are all still completely wrong though. =/
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Sep 11, 2009 8:40 PM #486347
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Its mostly just blacks, and they really JUST became Americans when you think about it...

Hahaha more race jokes. That never gets old.

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I don't think anyone should be allowed to have a gun unless you're in the police or some other armed force. All this "we needz de guns for defensss" is bullshit. If someone breaks into your house, what is it going to matter whether you STAB the guy breaking in or shoot him? Except that with a gun you might miss and he might shoot you, there isn't one. If no guns were allowed, I do believe the gun crime would go down, but then the police will have to focus on people getting the guns illegaly, and find out where all the supplies are coming from.

Who the hell says that if you have a gun you have to shoot the person if they break in? A gun would work better in a break in situation than a knife because the person breaking in isn't stupid enough to try something if he's staring down the barrel of a gun. Hell, you don't even have to have any ammo. Many gun situations don't even end in someone getting shot. And even if your arguement were true, how does that change the validity of a right to people owning their own guns? Just because people can use other weapons that means people shouldn't have any guns at all? The "people can use other weapons" argument would make more sense used on the opposing side, genius.

Also, since when did making something illegal stop anyone from owning something? Making guns illegal won't make anywhere near a dent in the amount of gun crimes committed. It would just give people another law to break. Marijuana and cocaine are illegal and you don't all the potheads and dopefiends throwing away their stash because they want to abide by the law.
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Sep 11, 2009 10:40 PM #486404
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Also, since when did making something illegal stop anyone from owning something? Making guns illegal won't make anywhere near a dent in the amount of gun crimes committed. It would just give people another law to break. Marijuana and cocaine are illegal and you don't all the potheads and dopefiends throwing away their stash because they want to abide by the law.


No one I know owns a gun or has ever seen one. Criminals in this country do not use guns, only in high profile crimes which have been very carefully planned. I have never seen a gun. Gun rates are lower in the UK than in the US. People can't be trusted with guns. There's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people". But if you're really angry, you might just pull that trigger and blow their brains out, which is much easier than grabbing an object and hitting them with it, which may not kill the person. Criminals in shop heists don't use guns in the UK, in the US they nearly always will. Guns are an easy way to kill people, and giving such responsibility to every citizen in the country is like giving a grenade to a baby. I'm not saying that every person with a gun is going to kill someone, but stuff like the Virginia Tech Massacre completely undermines the whole right to bare arms. What was it, like 40 people dead? Please.
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Sep 12, 2009 12:05 AM #486435
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Hahaha more race jokes. That never gets old.


Touchy touchy gavel, it was just a little racism.
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Sep 12, 2009 12:36 AM #486441
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No one I know owns a gun or has ever seen one. Criminals in this country do not use guns, only in high profile crimes which have been very carefully planned. I have never seen a gun. Gun rates are lower in the UK than in the US. People can't be trusted with guns. There's the old "guns don't kill people, people kill people". But if you're really angry, you might just pull that trigger and blow their brains out, which is much easier than grabbing an object and hitting them with it, which may not kill the person. Criminals in shop heists don't use guns in the UK, in the US they nearly always will. Guns are an easy way to kill people, and giving such responsibility to every citizen in the country is like giving a grenade to a baby. I'm not saying that every person with a gun is going to kill someone, but stuff like the Virginia Tech Massacre completely undermines the whole right to bare arms. What was it, like 40 people dead? Please.

Being someone who's never seen a gun and doesn't even know people who own or have seen guns, I don't think you're in the position to say how easy it is to pull a trigger. I don't know why anti-gun types think having instills this bloodlust into you that's just itching to come out whenever you get a little pissed off. Maybe you all saw that episode of the Simpsons and think all Americans are like that. Having a gun is more like an intimidation factor than anything. In most cases, you don't even have to hold the gun in your hand to show people you mean business. Some people can just show their gun in their holster to show they mean business. Hell, there's many cases where teenage kids rob stores with airsoft guns. A kid at a middle school near mine was killed by the cops because he held some kids hostage with an airsoft gun modified to look like a real gun. If anyone is the type of person to fly off the handle and shoot someone up, there are ways to prevent people like that from owning guns such as various background checks. You act like people can just waltz on down to wal-mart and pick up a gun right off the shelves like they would a box of cheerios. And further more, you act like gun crimes are the only crimes a person can commit. Gun crimes are most likely outweighed by every other crime out there. There's more than one way to kill a person. And considering how hard it can be to legally own a gun, most people would be more prone to take those options especially when it's a lot harder to hide a gun murder than a knife or poison muder (not everyone knows what a silencer is). Look at Plaxico Burress, former wide reciever of, American football team, the New York Giants. He had a New Jersey gun liscense in New York. When that gun accidentally went off in his pants (pardon the possible double entendre) they didn't look at the fact that he accidentally shot himself. They looked at the fact that he didn't have a proper gun liscense. You can't even carry guns around between states without getting involved in more paper work. How many people do you think actually bother with that here if they intend on killing someone? Look at the facts. Most gun owners here aren't mass murderers. They carry guns around to protect themselves with someone else who might have a gun. Either that or they use that gun to go kill something that isn't human.

And furthermore, you have to take into consideration the type of country America is compared to the UK. In a country as populated as ours with as much crime as there is, making guns illegal isn't going to solve anything. Illicit drugs like marijuana are illegal and that hasn't stopped people from having a happy 4/20 while listening to Sublime. Driving while under the influence of alcohol is illegal but people get arrested for DUIs or get involved in drunk driving accidents everyday. Wearing a seat belt is a ticketable offense here in Florida, but you'll still find plenty people too lazy to buckle up. Even if you were to find some way to get rid of every gun in the country, people would still find ways to obtain them. Either that, or it would make way for a different type of crime to take over gun crimes.

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Touchy touchy gavel, it was just a little racism.
A little goes a long way...when everyone on the site's done it by now.
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Sep 12, 2009 12:41 AM #486442
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A little goes a long way...when everyone on the site's done it by now.


And they will do it again, race jokes are a natural part of comedy, they always will be. Stop being a typical black person.
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Sep 12, 2009 1:48 AM #486457
Stop being a typical white person.

I don't give a damn if we have a black president now. I'll throw around the race card as much as I please.
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Sep 12, 2009 1:54 AM #486460
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Stop being a typical white person.

I don't give a damn if we have a black president now. I'll throw around the race card as much as I please.


I always wondered if the name came from the country of Nigeria.
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Sep 12, 2009 2:07 AM #486469
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Who the hell says that if you have a gun you have to shoot the person if they break in?
that is the general idea of a gun - to shoot.
A gun would work better in a break in situation than a knife because the person breaking in isn't stupid enough to try something if he's staring down the barrel of a gun. Hell, you don't even have to have any ammo. Many gun situations don't even end in someone getting shot.
why not use a fake gun then?
And even if your arguement were true, how does that change the validity of a right to people owning their own guns? Just because people can use other weapons that means people shouldn't have any guns at all? The "people can use other weapons" argument would make more sense used on the opposing side, genius.
You buy a gun for a purpose - to shoot. Be it for security or something else, that's what it's for. A knife is something you find in your kitchen to cut bread. Having a gun increases the probability that you will commit a crime with a weapon simply because that gun is intended to be used for such a purpose. Having a gun will mean that it is much more easy for you to go out and shoot someone if one day you decided to.

Also, since when did making something illegal stop anyone from owning something? Making guns illegal won't make anywhere near a dent in the amount of gun crimes committed. It would just give people another law to break.
I disagree. If less average citizens have guns, less crimes will be committed. Why? Because a hell of a lot of people that commit these crimes are average civilians. If you have a gun, legally, one day you may get a strong urge to go out and shoot someone. All you have to do is walk out the door and do it. If you don't have a gun, and you have an urge, you'll think "Is it really worth finding out how to get one of these weapons illegally to do this?" especially if it's a spare of the moment thing.
Marijuana and cocaine are illegal and you don't all the potheads and dopefiends throwing away their stash because they want to abide by the law.
I'm fairly certain that if both were legal the numbers using the drug would increase.


Also, this is pretty contradictory, as you've stated, but what's the POINT in having guns if a kitchen knife can do it just as well? The only difference is that with a gun you buy it intending to use it or intending to need to use it.
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Sep 12, 2009 2:34 AM #486476
I can get a 9mm in about 10 minutes if i felt like it, guns are pretty rife in England tbf, you just never hear about it.
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Sep 12, 2009 2:38 AM #486477
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I don't give a damn if we have a black president now. I'll throw around the race card as much as I please.


Which would make you a typical black person....
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Sep 12, 2009 3:06 AM #486482
Racism = old

I agree with Zed as well.
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Sep 12, 2009 3:11 AM #486484
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I beat you to it by like 3 hours.
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