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Nov 5, 2009 8:35 AM #510227
Ash: The future destructor of mankind.
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Nov 5, 2009 1:09 PM #510293
Quote from CGIllusion
From a drug article but still related.
Full link : http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/general/mjeff1.htm

Detect stimulus, analyze suitable reaction, and engage in action are done through pure awareness (preprogrammed responses just like a robot would react). Humans have the ability of conscious awareness in which we actually try to interpret what is going on and make a choice. For instance, I may choose to inflict more pain because it makes me feel alive. A robot cannot feel this, there is no conceivable way of programming feeling into a robot.

Pinch yourself and try to think of a way to make a robot feel exactly what you feel.
In conclusion its unfair to say robots actually experience emotion since you can only simulate behaviors and reflexes, but you cannot actually get it to "feeeeeeeeeel". Just because it looks like it feels pain, doesn't mean that it does.


You have yet to actually describe human feeling in a workable manner. When we feel pain, all that is occurring is a change in chemical state in our brain, which leads to numerous effects, such as the release of adrenaline. You haven't defined "feeling" in any useful way yet, you just keep asserting that "it's not FEELING pain."


@Jeremy: That reminds me, I just finished an alpha build of a new defense system. I call it Skynet.
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Nov 5, 2009 1:12 PM #510294
Meet the Professor Ash!!!
Bros b4 hos, men!!!
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Nov 5, 2009 1:14 PM #510295
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@Jeremy: That reminds me, I just finished an alpha build of a new defense system. I call it Skynet.



How soon can I get my missle systems connected to this wonderful "Skynet"?
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Nov 5, 2009 1:16 PM #510298
In a few months, just sign here under the disclaimer of any hostile robot takeovers...
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Nov 5, 2009 4:04 PM #510339
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You have yet to actually describe human feeling in a workable manner. When we feel pain, all that is occurring is a change in chemical state in our brain, which leads to numerous effects, such as the release of adrenaline. You haven't defined "feeling" in any useful way yet, you just keep asserting that "it's not FEELING pain."


@Jeremy: That reminds me, I just finished an alpha build of a new defense system. I call it Skynet.


Ok fine I'll define it. A "feeling" is the translation of simple input signals (on and off, ones and zeroes) into a form that the consciousness can understand and interpret. Better not ask me to define consciousness now... sigh.

It's like why we don't usually program in machine code, too complicated, inefficient, difficult to understand, time consuming. We need a form that is understandable to us, not just a computer.
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Nov 5, 2009 7:54 PM #510392
The consciousness is just an input-output system looped back on itself.
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Nov 5, 2009 8:20 PM #510405
Yes, but my point was that all that is necessary for you to think about your thoughts (hense consciousness) is for that final output to become part of the new input. It can be done with machines too, in theory.

Edit: Why, it appears I have been delete ninja'd. Blast.
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Nov 5, 2009 8:58 PM #510432
Well I edited and edited but nah couldn't think of something to that expressed my idea.

I kind of agree with you... but .. I think thoughts are stored as instances within memory rather than passed as output and input to and from cycles of consciousness . Like you see an apple in reality, and your mind stores that image in memory. You can now think of that that apple and modify it any way you like, and your mind will store that thought as another instance related to the first so that you could call up both at a later time and compare the ideas. If consciousness was a loop and the output was the input for a new cycle, you'd be thinking about the result of your last thought continuously. Or something like that I donno not in the mood for debates bleh
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Nov 18, 2009 6:31 PM #514573
Hi I am Thomas.
I think in order for a machine to "feel" emotions it must be genuinely conscious and aware of its existence.
It requires new technology.
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Nov 19, 2009 12:20 AM #514633
Really, it just requires a bit more understanding about the machines that WE are. If we could make a sufficiently advanced computer, with sensors on it (see: nerves) it could be programmed to "feel", much like we are. Same for anything else. It's basically been covered in here already though.
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Nov 19, 2009 4:10 AM #514695
AI is gonna be crazy--
I personally cant wait to have a conversation with my toaster
ask him what the bread feels like...
stuff like that.
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Nov 19, 2009 8:00 PM #514847
Quote from Nebakenezzer
AI is gonna be crazy--
I personally cant wait to have a conversation with my toaster
ask him what the bread feels like...
stuff like that.


You ... you've never felt bread?
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Nov 19, 2009 10:33 PM #514878
Quote from CGillusion
I think in order for a machine to "feel" emotions it must be genuinely conscious and aware of its existence.


Quote from thomasstuart
I think in order for a machine to "feel" emotions it must be genuinely conscious and aware of its existence.


I like how you restated exactly what somebody else said

Edit: oh wow, didn't realize it was an ad... now i feel dumb
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Nov 20, 2009 12:39 AM #514922
Quote from CGIllusion
Well I edited and edited but nah couldn't think of something to that expressed my idea.

I kind of agree with you... but .. I think thoughts are stored as instances within memory rather than passed as output and input to and from cycles of consciousness . Like you see an apple in reality, and your mind stores that image in memory. You can now think of that that apple and modify it any way you like, and your mind will store that thought as another instance related to the first so that you could call up both at a later time and compare the ideas. If consciousness was a loop and the output was the input for a new cycle, you'd be thinking about the result of your last thought continuously. Or something like that I donno not in the mood for debates bleh

sounds like you're talking about imagination yo

bring an interesting question. can we ever create a machine that can imagine, create unique art, create music (and i mean music with words, no doubt we have already made something of that kind), poetry? and if it can, is it really it's own unique creation, or is it just what we programmed it to do?

i personally don't have an answer yet, every time i think of it i get caught up in loops. i most likely just don't know enough yet, about consciousness, free will, computers also, so i'm just gonna wait until one of you smart ponies have something to say.
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