Alot of little kids have been getting games like grand theft auto,halo, Mw,CoD. So i ask you all, do you think its right for the government to take away those games until your the age of 18? I think its wrong but you know kids do crazy shit these days we dont want another story like the halo killer happening.

They already have done. It's called Ratings and they appear on every video game. Kids under that age are not allowed to buy the game. And it'd be extremely right restricting to ban every parent with a child from buying a video game that may or may not be for their own personal use. There'd be an uproar and lots of boycotting. In fact, it'd never get passed.

Well the reason why there making this law is because some kids take some games serious so the adults really should pay attention to begin with. My mom lets me play games like halo, AC, CoD because she knows im not a phycotic killer that takes video games serious

You must be ****ing retarded. Like 12 or some shit. Look at your arguing.

'' THERE REASON THERE MAKEIZNGZZ DIZ LAEWW ''

What law? They're never going to establish something like this. NEVER.

'' Some kids take some games serious ''

Bullshit. Millions of kids playing video games and a couple happen to be mentally unstable? Not the games fault, its their upbringing and chemical make-up that contribute to that.

'' so the adults should really take attention to begin with ''

Yeah. I've played games and gotten angry over shit, doesn't mean I'm going to go out and ****ing murder a bunch of virgins. You can take things seriously but not literally. Theres a difference, ask Starcraft players in Korea.

'' My mom lets me play games like Halo, AC, CoD ''

Well then she's very lenient seeing as how your probably 4 years old.

'' Because she knows I'm not a physchotic killahzzz who taekz vidya gaemz srsly liek ''

You ironic ****. **** you, I'm not even going to justify that last bit with a smart comment. You hypocritical person, get out of the debate section at once.

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You must be ****ing retarded. Like 12 or some shit. Look at your arguing.

'' THERE REASON THERE MAKEIZNGZZ DIZ LAEWW ''

What law? They're never going to establish something like this. NEVER.

'' Some kids take some games serious ''

Bullshit. Millions of kids playing video games and a couple happen to be mentally unstable? Not the games fault, its their upbringing and chemical make-up that contribute to that.

'' so the adults should really take attention to begin with ''

Yeah. I've played games and gotten angry over shit, doesn't mean I'm going to go out and ****ing murder a bunch of virgins. You can take things seriously but not literally. Theres a difference, ask Starcraft players in Korea.

'' My mom lets me play games like Halo, AC, CoD ''

Well then she's very lenient seeing as how your probably 4 years old.

'' Because she knows I'm not a physchotic killahzzz who taekz vidya gaemz srsly liek ''

You ironic ****. **** you, I'm not even going to justify that last bit with a smart comment. You hypocritical person, get out of the debate section at once.

You took the words right ot of my mouth. Mods please delete this thread.

Nope, because I think the only problem here is that you're misunderstanding Altair. I'll restate the arguments here for you.

Altair believes that all games should be available to anyone who wants them. No age restrictions.

As a counterargument to get the debate going, Altair pointed out that some people believe that violent games make children violent.

Altair then criticised this line of argument, saying that it should be the parents' responsibility to make sure that children are playing games that they can handle.

This was backed up with an example - Altair's parents let Altair play games which could be seen as violent because they know their child better than the government does and they know that these games will not affect their child negatively.

Carry on.

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Nope, because I think the only problem here is that you're misunderstanding Altair. I'll restate the arguments here for you.

Altair believes that all games should be available to anyone who wants them. No age restrictions.

Prove it with textual evidence or you are a liar, dear Zed who HIMSELF has mistunderstood the darling miss Altair.

As a counterargument to get the debate going, Altair pointed out that some people believe that violent games make children violent.

Textual proof, please.

Altair then criticised this line of argument, saying that it should be the parents' responsibility to make sure that children are playing games that they can handle.

Textual proof, please.

This was backed up with an example - Altair's parents let Altair play games which could be seen as violent because they know their child better than the government does and they know that these games will not affect their child negatively.

Then thats the end of the debate. There will be no laws passed and civilization maintains this aspect to it to this very day. There is very little to debate about here because quite frankly it's about nothing. Some kids up and kill some people due to serious underlying mental disorders and causes and people blame them on video games. The age rating is already there, we cannot really legally implement anything further of that. This debate is stupid and shame on you. People who want to provide stricter access to video games are forgetting how strict they are now; and how very little we can do towards the situation. Not only that, but the goverment has to follow guidelines - so yes. Parents do know more about their children then the goverment, and I double dog dare anybody to contest that fact. Shit; this entire thing is stupid. Lets put it simply. We have age ratings for a reason. Yes, they can be bypassed, but we cant do anything about it. Yes, some kids do take influence from video games when they finally snap; but in nearly every single case study video games were not the reason for snapping and the kids nearly always had something very wrong with them. Parents know their kids better then their government and yes large attempts are being made to try to coerce parents away from buying violent video games for their children but in the end Video Gaming is an industry and in a time of economical recline we cannot stand dividing a possible target audience in half due to moral issues that display in miniscule percentages of the audience.

Carry on.

Lock thread.

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Nope, because I think the only problem here is that you're misunderstanding Altair. I'll restate the arguments here for you.

Altair believes that all games should be available to anyone who wants them. No age restrictions.

As a counterargument to get the debate going, Altair pointed out that some people believe that violent games make children violent.

Altair then criticised this line of argument, saying that it should be the parents' responsibility to make sure that children are playing games that they can handle.

This was backed up with an example - Altair's parents let Altair play games which could be seen as violent because they know their child better than the government does and they know that these games will not affect their child negatively.

Carry on.

Zed you should wiki up the halo killer he was a real person. or if you dont feel like I'll tell you a story about it.


There was a regular teen age boy that was totally non violent. He was in a car or plane crash and got 2 holes in his spine. He could not do anything after that so then his dad bought him a xbox 360 with a few games like need for speed, madden, and stuff. But then he started sneaking in games from his friends. And one of them was halo. He was playing it and was soon an addic. One time his mom caught him and his dad took the game and locked it up in his saftey box. The boy was mad so he got the key to the box and unlocked it and found a gun. Loaded. He went to the living room behind the couch and said " Mom, Dad i have a surprise for you so close your eyes." They did. They were both shot. The father survived. He made it look like a murder scene then try to get away in a SUV. He didnt get very far. (He ran into a tree..) He was arrested in the murder of the first deegree and attempted murder and sentenced to life in prison. This happend a long time ago like 1999-1998..

Because 1999 there was already the Xbox 360 and Halo.


Ouch.

Oh the lengths I go to for you, Blasphemer.

Altair believes that all games should be available to anyone who wants them. No age restrictions.

Prove it with textual evidence or you are a liar, dear Zed who HIMSELF has mistunderstood the darling miss Altair.

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do you think its right for the government to take away those games until your the age of 18? I think its wrong

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As a counterargument to get the debate going, Altair pointed out that some people believe that violent games make children violent.

Textual proof, please.

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the reason why there making this law is because some kids take some games serious

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Altair then criticised this line of argument, saying that it should be the parents' responsibility to make sure that children are playing games that they can handle.

Textual proof, please

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the adults really should pay attention to begin with.

Sentence structure's not great, admittedly, but I'm pretty sure that's how it was meant.

Lets put it simply. We have age ratings for a reason.

What is that reason, when parents should be able to do a better job of mediating than those restrictions? This is the point of the thread. Altair disagrees that there is any good reason to have these age restrictions. If you know differently then tell her nicely.

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Nope, because I think the only problem here is that you're misunderstanding Altair. I'll restate the arguments here for you.

Altair believes that all games should be available to anyone who wants them. No age restrictions.

As a counterargument to get the debate going, Altair pointed out that some people believe that violent games make children violent.

Altair then criticised this line of argument, saying that it should be the parents' responsibility to make sure that children are playing games that they can handle.

This was backed up with an example - Altair's parents let Altair play games which could be seen as violent because they know their child better than the government does and they know that these games will not affect their child negatively.

Carry on.

Taking the coherent version:
I completely agree with certificate ratings. They aren't 'age restrictions' as such, because you're only restricted from buying them. The CR itself only informs the buyers of what happens in the game.

If a child witnesses violence, it will be affected by it. If a child sees violence, and takes part in it in a video game, their grasp of reality may become a little warped. Assuming they have little understanding of reality. But it's no different from a movie, or a book. Video games are often considered different because you control the violence in games. But, that doesn't make it any different in the least; There isn't a game out to date where you take on the role of an average man and murder recklessly. Every game that can be considered truly violent are all parts of a role. So unless the player is mentally unstable and for some reason takes on this role, there is no way the games can be blamed fairly.

'it should be the parents' responsibility to make sure that children are playing games that they can handle.' - This is pretty much stating the obvious. It's legal for people to drink alcohol in their own home with their parents consent.
I was allowed to play some violent games as a child. My parents took the risk and had confidence in the way they have brought me up. I understood, as a child, that just because something happens in a game doesn't mean that I can do it in my own life.
I am annoyed at how it's only ever "VIDEO GAMES CAUSE VIOLENCE." - This is argued because there is violence in video games, but theres plenty of other stuff in video games that kids don't do. They understand they can't survive a super jump off a building. If they tried that, and somebody blamed video games for that, I'm sure people would just brush it off as stupidity.

EDIT: Shit, I really should start refreshing the page before I post to see if anybody else has made a points before me.

Halo didn't come out in 1998 and neither did any of the games you described. Most of the games in 1998 were very strict against violence after school shootings and shit like that. So stop making a bunch of shit up.

And he got two holes in his spine? Started sneaking games in from friends and was able to go to a living room with an armed weapon? Sounds like he REALLY '' couldn't do anything after that '' .

You bullshitter, honestly. That stories fake as **** and this debate is stupid. Kid is ****ed up for the rest of his life and becomes pissed off because his only source of real comfort is removed. Yeah, I'm sure thats all to do with video games and bad parenting. Seems to me like he was a cripple and they took away the only thing dear to him.

****ing bravo for him.

I'll post this here, I put it in the Chat Thread a while ago.

Although, no points I make will reach altair500 because it blocked me.

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What is that reason, when parents should be able to do a better job of mediating than those restrictions? This is the point of the thread. Altair disagrees that there is any good reason to have these age restrictions. If you know differently then tell her nicely.

Jesus christ. She's posting stories of how kids murdered their parents and your claiming her view is for no ratings? I have no idea what this debate is about. It's confusing me now.

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What is that reason, when parents should be able to do a better job of mediating than those restrictions? This is the point of the thread. Altair disagrees that there is any good reason to have these age restrictions. If you know differently then tell her nicely.

Sometimes parents actually dont even look at the warnings they say "Oh look this game looks nice lets buy that"