The mulitverse

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Jan 31, 2012 1:14 AM #583864

Quote from wikipedia]The multiverse (or meta-universe, metaverse) is the hypothetical set of multiple possible universes (including the historical universe we consistently experience) that together comprise everything that exists and can exist: the entirety of space, time, matter, and energy as well as the physical laws and constants that describe them. The term was coined in 1895 by the American philosopher and psychologist William James. The various universes within the multiverse are sometimes called parallel universes.
The structure of the multiverse, the nature of each universe within it and the relationship between the various constituent universes, depend on the specific multiverse hypothesis considered. Multiverses have been hypothesized in cosmology, physics, astronomy, religion, philosophy, transpersonal psychology and fiction, particularly in science fiction and fantasy. In these contexts, parallel universes are also called "alternative universes", "quantum universes", "interpenetrating dimensions", "parallel dimensions", "parallel worlds", "alternative realities", "alternative timelines", and "dimensional planes," among others.[/quote]

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We may need more studying of the universe to find out, and we don't have the resources and tech to find out. So, we can't say that there is no multiverse, when we don't know if there isn't any multiverse at all.

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Jan 31, 2012 2:36 AM #583886

I researched this topic quite a long time ago. In fact I made a thread about it on this website.

This theory seriously interests me because of its diverse possibilities and how limitless it can be. And no matter how much we'll ever discover, there will always be the chance of there being more. This is sort of one of those things that could exist but we'll never have specific proof on how much it really does exist.

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Jan 31, 2012 5:54 AM #583931

This is a interesting theory. I guess you can say this is what gave those space shows(star treek, star wars, etc) the idea of thinking up new universes.

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Jan 31, 2012 6:01 PM #584018

This isn't a "theory", guys, it's literally just a guess. The whole idea involves the existence of something that, by its own definition, is beyond our ability to ever detect. And there aren't any widely-supported models of relativity/quantum mechanics that hinge on there being more than one universe.

I don't really know what's to be discussed.

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Jan 31, 2012 7:56 PM #584060

Well the thing i like about this theory is that every time we make a decision there is a new universe that branches off that makes a different decision than what you make...so if we can travel to a different universe if this theory was true we would be able to see what would have happened for major events, And there would be plenty of universes with that decision but they would all be different.
Exilement it is a theory because we cant prove it but we also cant disprove it. Its just an idea that we arent the only universe but connected to a web of universes

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Jan 31, 2012 8:05 PM #584064

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Well the thing i like about this theory is that every time we make a decision there is a new universe that branches off that makes a different decision than what you make...so if we can travel to a different universe if this theory was true we would be able to see what would have happened for major events, And there would be plenty of universes with that decision but they would all be different.
Exilement it is a theory because we cant prove it but we also cant disprove it. Its just an idea that we arent the only universe but connected to a web of universes

I can tell you don't know what a theory is. A theory is not the same as a guess. A theory isn't something "You can't prove or disprove", it's something that has been subjected to several experiments, and proven, but cannot be accepted as a law due to the chance that there may be an exception.

for example, although gravity is a generally accepted thing, the reasons for why it occurs are Theories, not laws. Even though we can prove it over and over again to be true, it is just a theory, since we have yet to discover what it's like in say, another dimension.

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Jan 31, 2012 8:45 PM #584084

Wait wait. Are you saying gravity is a theory? Or the things that cause gravity are theories? Because gravity isn't a theory because it's been proven true. We're experiencing it right now.

The reasoning for gravity on the other hand is still theoretical because it has yet to have been solved. Isn't theory just another term for "hypothesis"?

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Jan 31, 2012 8:51 PM #584088

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Exilement it is a theory because we cant prove it but we also cant disprove it. Its just an idea that we arent the only universe but connected to a web of universes

If you're going to speak as if you know what you're talking about, then at least use some sources of information other than your own ass. You're completely, blatantly wrong.

And yeah, gravity is a theory. So is evolution. That doesn't make them any less true -- laws are reserved purely for analytical statements, the concept of gravity isn't something that can be reduced to analytical statements. But a theory is about as valid as something can get, the scientific definition of "theory" is vastly different from the everyday definition.

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Jan 31, 2012 9:04 PM #584094

There are a lot of things the human mind can't contemplate or even grasp. It's kind of like space. It's so huge and immense that most people shut it out from their minds. It trully amazes me how people can simply walk around and look up at the stars and shrug it off like it's nothing. Space is probably the most taken for granted thing ever. Alongside that would be our own planet Earth. It's huge and can sustain a massive amount of life on it. Who's to say that Earth itself isn't a huge super organism?

If theories are things that are existent but can't be simplified down to analytical statements, then basically everything within this Universe (or for the sake of this thread, the Multiverses) is theoretical simply because life itself is way to complicated for the average human mind to understand.

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Feb 1, 2012 2:28 AM #584363

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I can tell you don't know what a theory is. A theory is not the same as a guess. A theory isn't something "You can't prove or disprove", it's something that has been subjected to several experiments, and proven, but cannot be accepted as a law due to the chance that there may be an exception.

for example, although gravity is a generally accepted thing, the reasons for why it occurs are Theories, not laws. Even though we can prove it over and over again to be true, it is just a theory, since we have yet to discover what it's like in say, another dimension.

Theory:a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actualfact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate.Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration,substantiation.
hypothesis: a mere assumption or guess.
(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/theory)

Enough prove for you...i know what im talking about

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Feb 1, 2012 1:13 PM #584816

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If theories are things that are existent but can't be simplified down to analytical statements, then basically everything within this Universe (or for the sake of this thread, the Multiverses) is theoretical simply because life itself is way to complicated for the average human mind to understand.

What makes you think that? You're basically preaching skepticism, which in my opinion accomplishes absolutely nothing. Potential doubt always exists, and it's nice to acknowledge it, but humans are perfectly capable of understanding the processes that drive this universe.

But no, not everything is theoretical

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Enough prove for you...i know what im talking about

Jesus fuck.

"A scientific theory is a set of principles that explain and predict phenomena. Scientists create scientific theories with the scientific method, when they are originally proposed as hypotheses and tested for accuracy through observations and experiments. Once a hypothesis is verified, it becomes a theory"

"A common misconception is that scientific theories are rudimentary ideas that will eventually graduate into scientific laws when enough data and evidence has been accumulated. A theory does not change into a scientific law with the accumulation of new or better evidence. A theory will always remain a theory, a law will always remain a law"

Enough proof that you have no clue what you're talking about? I'd have a lot more respect for you if you just acknowledged you were wrong, rather than coming up with half-assed "proof" of statements I've already told you were blatantly and completely incorrect.

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Feb 1, 2012 3:02 PM #584857

Hauling it back on topic:

The "multiverse" is not a thing. To say that a parallel universe exists doesn't actually make sense. If you say "a teapot exists" you mean that there is an object in the universe corresponding to "teapot". If you say "unicorns do not exist" you mean that there is no object in the universe which corresponds to "unicorn". The word "exists" cannot be applied to the universe because the universe is just the sum total of everything that exists.

A parallel universe is a way of visualising things being different, and may be a useful analogy sometimes, but when you get right down to it it's nonsense.

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Feb 1, 2012 5:24 PM #584981

I thought we were on topic. I already pointed out the concept is silly at best.

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Feb 1, 2012 5:29 PM #584987

Looked like we were on theory definitions :/

But yes you did, and I agree.

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Feb 1, 2012 5:40 PM #585004

Two people thought the idea of a multiverse is a theory. It clearly isn't, so I corrected them. Doesn't seem terribly off-topic to me, especially since it's still in the realm of science/philosophy. Not really my fault if they'd like to continue arguing and spouting their nonsense even after I explain why they're wrong.

Though, now we're off topic, so.. fuck.