Do you guys know manga : the gamer, i found it interesting manga so i read it till the last episode
you guys should read it too.

The Gamer introduces very cool elements and powers and I'm surprised no one thought of it before. It has light humor which I like, enough to keep the manga interesting but not strong enough to make it seem ridiculous. The author does a very good job at keeping the power levels at a nice steady check and has the MC improve from scratch in such a way where you don't feel like punching a wall out of frustration because the MC is so pathetic.
At the same time, the characters and the actual development themselves are quite weak. Granted, the manwha just started so there's plenty room for improvement, but the majority of the characters in the manhwa are pretty dull.


I still think D.I.C.E is the most well-written manhwa and has one of the best art styles right now. Really enjoyable. It's biggest flaw is the fact that it updates a snail's pace.
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/D-I-C-E This is the link to the manhwa.
I have a soft spot for Tower of God though. And The Breaker, that's another really good one.

@raptor D-I-C-E? the cover seems marvelous. i will read it later
btw what the different about manhwa and manga? the colour?

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@raptor D-I-C-E? the cover seems marvelous. i will read it later
btw what the different about manhwa and manga? the colour?

The main difference between a manhwa and a manga is that manhwa is to Korea while manga is to Japan.

There are two different styles of manhwa. You have the traditional kind, which is the one that is hand-drawn and inked; in other words, the style of every manga. These manga are distributed in book form and not formally through the internet without scanning. These are always in black and white, like your traditional manga.

The second kind are webtoons (the example being The Gamer). As the name suggests, this style of manhwa is strictly bound on web, meaning that the art is often not hand-drawn but instead drawn via computer programs. As a result, the work is often less strenuous and can even be done solo whereas normal mangakas (manga artists) may require several assistants to meet the deadline. This also allows more freedom with the artist as it allows the artist more time and the ability to use convenient tools to color efficiently. These webtoons are hosted on popular Korean web-browsing sites such as naver.com, but they are treated very differently from normal manga. Where mangakas generally have to reach out towards different companies in order to have their series serialized and published (like Shounen Jump) in formal meetings and treated much like an interview for a job, websites that host webtoons are completely free form. In other words, they are simple submission sites, almost like stickpage in a way. I'm not exactly sure how the system works in terms of income. It either works in one of two ways: It works similar to youtube where the amount of views (+ maybe something else, don't know if the sites counts subscribers/followers) nets your income, or the website sponsors your work and you earn income per each chapter you publish online. It's a very different process.

Anyone, what do you think about Mikakunin de Shinkoukei? (If you watched it)

ui, just started Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon, seems funny ^^

I think my favorite Shoujo anime now is Kimi ni Todoke, is it good or bad?

Wait... What? "Why some of you suck", who exactly are you talking about? That article was talking about the anime industry suffering because it is filled with otaku that refuse to create stories and characters that are realistic/inspired from real life. Please, point out to me who here in SP are the otakus working in the industry.

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/131872-Hayao-Miyazaki-Anime-Suffers-Because-the-Industry-is-Full-of-Otaku

He was talking about the staff being otaku, and that they don't pay attention to real people. So being a diehard fan of anime isn't hurting the industry as long as you're not one of the artists (at least, according to Hayao Miyazaki).

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/131872-Hayao-Miyazaki-Anime-Suffers-Because-the-Industry-is-Full-of-Otaku

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Wait... What? "Why some of you suck", who exactly are you talking about? That article was talking about the anime industry suffering because it is filled with otaku that refuse to create stories and characters that are realistic/inspired from real life. Please, point out to me who here in SP are the otakus working in the industry.

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He was talking about the staff being otaku, and that they don't pay attention to real people. So being a diehard fan of anime isn't hurting the industry as long as you're not one of the artists (at least, according to Hayao Miyazaki).

Next time, Don't show this at these kind of threads, you know this place is for criticism, sarcasm, irony, ect. Stickpage, Simple.

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Wait... What? "Why some of you suck", who exactly are you talking about? That article was talking about the anime industry suffering because it is filled with otaku that refuse to create stories and characters that are realistic/inspired from real life. Please, point out to me who here in SP are the otakus working in the industry.

I don't have specific names, i shouldn't have any specific names. The article talks about how the anime industry suffers because it is filled with otaku, why do you think it is filled with otakus, because of viewers that are rather hateful towards life and prefer unrealistic characters, they love to get out of reality and that is why otakus make loads of money, they feed on pathetic people who loves to get out of reality and follow characters that are far from reality.

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He was talking about the staff being otaku, and that they don't pay attention to real people. So being a diehard fan of anime isn't hurting the industry as long as you're not one of the artists (at least, according to Hayao Miyazaki).

Many viewers allow these people to work, they enjoy what they do.
My point is, people who dislike reality, who enjoy these kind of unrealistic characters, who are (sorry) generally pathetic, allow these people to animate and make money, i am willing to talk further about this, it is very late where i am at this point and i am not in my righteous mind.

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I don't have specific names, i shouldn't have any specific names. The article talks about how the anime industry suffers because it is filled with otaku, why do you think it is filled with otakus, because of viewers that are rather hateful towards life and prefer unrealistic characters, they love to get out of reality and that is why otakus make loads of money, they feed on pathetic people who loves to get out of reality and follow characters that are far from reality.


Many viewers allow these people to work, they enjoy what they do.
My point is, people who dislike reality, who enjoy these kind of unrealistic characters, who are (sorry) generally pathetic, allow these people to animate and make money, i am willing to talk further about this, it is very late where i am at this point and i am not in my righteous mind.

Why the heck you say sorry lmfao, everyone has their own hobbies and shits, just because love unrealistic characters is pathetic, But I dont give a fucking fuck what people say, the bad thing is that if they EXCEED with insulting otakus, that would be seriously a problem, we can ignore what they say but dont exceed so much at critique otakus, Gamers can love unrealistic characters from GAMES, Otakus can just love Anime characters and Game characters, whatever EVERYONE can has an impossible love but at least enjoy at watch, at play and stuff, but omg dude dont exceed so much at critique otakus...

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I don't have specific names, i shouldn't have any specific names. The article talks about how the anime industry suffers because it is filled with otaku, why do you think it is filled with otakus, because of viewers that are rather hateful towards life and prefer unrealistic characters, they love to get out of reality and that is why otakus make loads of money, they feed on pathetic people who loves to get out of reality and follow characters that are far from reality.

Dammit, you 14 year olds tick me off...

Why do I think the anime industry is filled with otakus? It's because they're a fan of the medium, someone who loves movies would dream of joining the movie industry, a book worm could dream of becoming a writer, someone with a curiosity about how the world works could dream about becoming a scientist. So why would anime be any different, why wouldn't fans of anime dream of working in the industry?
The problem then is that when they get there they impose their stylized image of anime into their work, and this is the problem the article was addressing. What you said about "why some of you suck" is complete bullshit, you are pointing your finger at a western anime fanbase and saying they are responsible for the very small percentage of Japanese otaku that go on to impose their style on anime, which is flat out wrong.

But you do raise an interesting point about escapism, which I'll get to.

Many viewers allow these people to work, they enjoy what they do.
My point is, people who dislike reality, who enjoy these kind of unrealistic characters, who are (sorry) generally pathetic, allow these people to animate and make money, i am willing to talk further about this, it is very late where i am at this point and i am not in my righteous mind.

I personally think that people who seek out a means of escapism are not pathetic, hateful towards life, or dislike reality, and I definitely don't believe anime is the only means of escapism.
Are you saying that everyone who has ever watched a movie because they were bored, or played a game to immures themselves, or watched TV to be entertained, or went to the theater to enjoy a work of fiction are weak people for wanting to seek a distraction from reality? No, their not, everyone does it, and everyone has been doing it since we could paint on cave walls and sit around a fire. So why is anime so terrible?

You seem to think that the whole anime fanbase enjoy all the same shows, that because some people are watching shows that are unrealistic that everyone is watching these shows, and again, that's not true. True, the extent that fanbase enjoy these shows might be worrying, and the fact that the industry is continuously making these shows might be worrying (at least to Miyazaki), but it is no more worrying than any other medium of entertainment. If you read the article properly, you would have also seen that Miyazaki is talking about anime suffering not as an entertainment medium but as an artistic medium.


But after all this, I'm still failing to see your point as anything other than "otaku are bad, otaku making anime for otaku is worse, and you're all weak, pathetic people for supporting them".

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I don't have specific names, i shouldn't have any specific names. The article talks about how the anime industry suffers because it is filled with otaku, why do you think it is filled with otakus, because of viewers that are rather hateful towards life and prefer unrealistic characters, they love to get out of reality and that is why otakus make loads of money, they feed on pathetic people who loves to get out of reality and follow characters that are far from reality.

Not trying to be rude, but this was hard to read. Not because I disagree, but this paragraph is grammatically incorrect in a number of ways that I had to read it several times to get what you're saying haha.


You're misunderstanding the article in a few areas. Miyazaki isn't criticizing the otakus because they create mystical, unrealistic fantasy worlds. Most if Miyazaki's works take place in a setting other than ours. Setting is and never should be an issue when creating pieces of work because all it does is stifle creativity. Of course you can argue to extremes about this, but that would be a pointless argument since nearly anything can be argued down when pushed to its extremes. Now the point where you raise about "popular characters having personalities that are unrealistic" is fair, but you're exaggerating it. It isn't just the "otakus" that don't work in the industry that's at fault here. Every industry has its group of followers who like characters that lack the depth and art that real productions have. Books, TV shows, movies, so on and so forth. The ones who follow those crusades aren't necessarily the die-hard fans, they can compose of your classmates that really don't know any better, or some kids who REALLY don't know any better, yada yada yada. The point is, you can't single out a group for being at fault here. Otaku refers to a specific group and to see you victimizing only them is wrong.

The word otaku really shouldn't be used in the first place since people misconstrue the actual meaning of the word without thinking about it. People often overemphasize the image of "otakus" anyway, so it's better to just describe what the majority is instead of using a pre-existing word to encompass them all and create new misunderstandings. Now, moving about escaping to reality...

Many viewers allow these people to work, they enjoy what they do.
My point is, people who dislike reality, who enjoy these kind of unrealistic characters, who are (sorry) generally pathetic, allow these people to animate and make money,

I've alluded to this point before, and it isn't the lack of reality that's the problem. I'll take your words for example. Unrealistic characters isn't entirely accurate in terms of the point you're making. For example, Light Yagami from Death Note is far from realistic, but he's reached acclaim for being one of the deepest characters in anime history. Mugen from the series Samurai Champloo also lacks the realism of his time period, but that's what made him such a fun character to watch. The main criticism that Miyazaki is trying to make is the lack of character depth, which he attributes to the lack of actual physical contact the industry has with real people.
I'm sure character depth is what you're talking about here, so I'm not calling you wrong. But your choice of words in presenting your argument is very poor and can lead to some heavy misunderstandings.
Moving on, you're also criticizing the industry for taking advantage of people's like for even the shallowest of characters. Realistically speaking, this is always going to happen. No matter how much you dislike it, the scale of its size is too big for anybody to handle. In fact, you may unknowingly be part of this majority, not necessarily in terms of anime, but in other types of mediums. It's a flaw that any sort of visual or literary art has, and it's nothing new.
Really, the article and you are trying to do is speak about a pre-existing flaw that has always been present, and the article only serves to spice it up. It doesn't add any legitimate argument that we don't already know about. The only reason why it holds any sort of base now is because Miyazaki said it, but that's all there really is to it. Miyazaki mentioned a flaw that was already there, and everybody is making a big deal as if it's some kind of new point by exaggerating the words that he uses. It's a fair criticism, but you're not doing much justice by pointing it out here out of all places, especially in such an ineffective manner.

Youwishjellyfish sums up a part of my argument well.

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If you read the article properly, you would have also seen that Miyazaki is talking about anime suffering not as an entertainment medium but as an artistic medium.

So yeah. End of my argument.

i am willing to talk further about this, it is very late where i am at this point and i am not in my righteous mind.

Haha, don't worry. This isn't a chat room. Feel free to spend however long you want on a post, we aren't going to shoot you for not responding immediately.

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Why the heck you say sorry lmfao, everyone has their own hobbies and shits, just because love unrealistic characters is pathetic, But I dont give a fucking fuck what people say, the bad thing is that if they EXCEED with insulting otakus, that would be seriously a problem, we can ignore what they say but dont exceed so much at critique otakus, Gamers can love unrealistic characters from GAMES, Otakus can just love Anime characters and Game characters, whatever EVERYONE can has an impossible love but at least enjoy at watch, at play and stuff, but omg dude dont exceed so much at critique otakus...

Calm down dude. You aren't going win an argument on the internet by shouting. Just take it nice and calm. If you get angry they'll be blindly angry at you back and nobody will get anywhere.