Components of what's creation?

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Components of what's creation?

The universe, the big bang. Why and what caused it.
You know, the reason why it's still a theory.

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The universe, the big bang. Why and what caused it.
You know, the reason why it's still a theory.

its a theory because its impossible to know. we will never be able to go back and look. the only reason why a devine creator is even a theory is because people in the past made up fictitious stories of origin. nothing about faith has anything to do with anything going on in reality. its superstitious nonsense.

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its a theory because its impossible to know. we will never be able to go back and look. the only reason why a devine creator is even a theory is because people in the past made up fictitious stories of origin. nothing about faith has anything to do with anything going on in reality. its superstitious nonsense.

You're right but you're missing the point.
It doesn't have to be in reality and it doesn't have to be true. Faith doesn't require it to be true and someone faithful doesn't need it to be proven true. That's why all these Mormons and Jehovah witnesses go around annoying your ass just as you sit down for dinner, because their faith is weak and they have to go around justifying it and explaining why it's right to everyone else.
Basically what I am saying is those of weak faith and atheists aren't that different.
Weak faith man
the universe, because god.

Atheist
the universe, because science.

Weak faith man
Annoying your ass with shit about god/bible etc,

Atheist
Annoying your ass with shit about science/darwin etc,


The difference is the atheist needs science and empirical evidence to prove things to believe in them. Those of weak faith need, the bible and preachers/scare tactics to believe in it. But someone of true faith is different, they don't need anything to believe. They can believe in something that they can't prove exists or does not exist without a doubt. Which is something that I can respect.

Then again that is something insane people do.
But at least they don't annoy the fuck out of me.

Edit: I know we're mad off topic, but the first topic was lame anyways.

The topic never changed, you just thoroughly improved it.....

Jutsu, 'Atheist' does not imply any belief in science or empirical evidence, nor does it have anything to do with trying to convince others of science, Atheism itself, or any other system. Stop generalizing and simplifying things to the point where they lose their actual meaning.

You're right.
However, I wasn't talking about the meaning I was talking about their behavior. I understand they aren't all like that, I too was once an atheist. But the simple fact is many behave like that, like religious people of weak faith. My comparison isn't inaccurate, not perfect but not inaccurate.
I know atheists who do a perfectly fine job not shoving bible bashing bullshit/darwin dick sucking down everyone's throats, which I can respect.
Just like the contrast, people of true faith who don't need to force it on others, I can respect that.
It may seem like I am biased, but it's really just been that atheists have annoyed me the most lately. Any given day of the week it could be different. Are you an atheist? I'm sorry if it appears I am bashing your belief/disbelief as the case may be. But believe me I'm not, I'm bashing the the more obnoxious people of your "dis"belief system. I'm not attacking the "dis"belief, just peoples shitty fucking behavior.

I've decided I'm done explaining myself to you, you should get it at this point.

Actually I think this whole discussion between us hasn't had shit to do with god and more to do with people.

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the thing is, if God isn't really all-powerful, I cna live with that. So why dont peoplr just admit they have come across a paradox?

Because people are stubbor. Instead of saying they believe in god, they call themselves christians and say they believe in the bible. And then go on to stop scientific advances, and from people getting married. The bible says that god is all powerful, so everyone thinks he's all powerful. But if he is then he's a paradox, so the only solution to this paradox is to say that god is on a whole other plane of existence, where he is not bound by time and space as we know it. Where he is so absolutely powerful that he can literally do the imposible.

I don't know what you mean by "Instead of saying they believe in god...". Those people do believe in God, they just think that the Bible is in direct correlation to his will.

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Even if he can make a rock that he cannot lift, then what else can lift it?

If God, the most powerful being in the universe can't lift a rock, I'm sure he's either really fucking weak or that rock weighs a ton.

Also, would a tractor, which is capable of moving the rock, be more powerful than God? Let's worship the tractor!!!

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God can create such a heavy rock that he can't lift, but after a moment, he's more powerful. He is always improving all the time, even his kindness. I am a Roman Catholic so I believe such a thing. The reason that God exists is hidden from the eyes of science. If you disagree that God improves everytime then think about this. Even if he can make a rock that he cannot lift, then what else can lift it? That still makes him the most powerful being in the universe of secrets.

yes, of course a being that is only known about through fiction books and word of mouth can do whatever the fuck he pleases, and pick up all the heavy rocks he wants. doesn't make him shit.

But if he improved, then he was not godly before

What definition of "godly" agrees with that? Legitimately curious.

I think he might be using 'godly' in the sense of 'a perfect being' rather than 'a really powerful being'