this is an interesting debate. im surprised this was aired on abc news lol. these guys don't hold back. the crowd got a bit rowdy when the chick said that jesus christ never even existed



its funny when kirk and that dumbass are done talking cause that guy is seems like hes sayin 'okay, now let me tell you why that's bullshit'

haven't watched this, will have to take the time at some point, but I skipped part way through and didn't think the atheists really put across arguments that greatly. For instance, he invoked the "who's god's creator?", when the religious people could simply respond with "he has no creator, he just is". Sure, the atheist can reply and say the universe just is, but the way he put it across made it seem like he was inferring the response delivered a fatal blow, when it didn't. He would have been much better simply using reductio ad absurdum or possibly that we only deduce man made things are man made because we have experienced their creation in some way, and the opposite is true for the universe. Hell, the "rule" that there is always a cause may not even be true outside of our current unvierse, the same logic may not apply there, so attempting to apply causes without evidence to something which may not require a cause is unjust. It just seemed as if he could have responded better.

well you're taking that out of context of a 90 minute debate, they go over some shit more than once