I completely agree with pieguy, hats off

there's a few people in this world that are gentle, kind, honest, peaceful, that only wants the good for others, there's still a hope, not everything is screwd up, and god can't intervene in everything we do, but he can help these kind of people to change the world, he can help a murder to repent is he's REALLY repent for wht he did, and he promises to never do it again, that's our purpose to overcome everything, to progress, make bonds with people, have a family found love, have dificulties, this's wht is life about

It took me a couple of years to understand all of this, but if you do, you'll find the right way to live your life, everything good and bad in this live will have their reward, it's our choice to be "dumb", or be honest and kind with people

A light will shine brighter in the dark, be a solution, don't become part of the problem

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god can't intervene in everything we do,

Why can't he?

man these last few posts have been terrible

I thought we were getting somewhere

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I thought we were getting somewhere

I don't think anything's ever really going to change on this forum or the next, or in real life. People debate to win, not to learn. It's exactly the same in politics, and it's why the world (in terms of the sciences and the general public) is the way it is.

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About the ppl dying in an unfair way.... God gave us all a free will over our actions, if he controls every single unfair thing on earth, what would be the purpose of life? How are we going to progress espiritually without challenges on our ways? people who does in unfair ways, are the perfect proof to punish the "unfair " people, if god just stops everything, there'd be no proof or sin to punish. And cobalt Catholicism is not the only religion in the world, I don't want to offend any catholic with this, but I personally don't like that religion

So let me get this straight. Your god created humans, purposefully put the forbidden fruit in their reach knowing that they'd eat it, then gets angry when they do and condemns all of humanity to burn in hell for all eternity? Then Jesus died and blahblahblah... and now we only burn in hell if we don't recognize god as our lord and master so he can "save us" from the hell that he himself created that he will burn us in if we don't obey him? God demands worship without evidence of his existence, rewarding blind faith and stupidity instead of reason or good actions, meaning the nicest person in the world will still burn for all eternity if he's an atheist but a choir boy touching pastor will get to go to heaven if he asks for forgiveness? Not all humans are born in equality either, so without access to this "divine knowledge" some people don't even have the chance to believe in your absurd christian Jahve god, which means automatic hell for them.

That "god" guy sounds like a sadistic, egotistical dictator to me. Sure seems depressing.

Good thing there is no empirical evidence of his existence (Because the existence of any kind of invisible ethereal god like that in an unfalsifiable hypothesis.) so I can just disregard him like I disregard Thor, Ra, Loki, Anubis, Pangu, Vishnu and any other silly gods human kind has come up with throughout history to give a quick and easy explanation to things they don't understand and are too lazy to look more deeply in to.

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And 2-D first of all... Every single one of us is a diamond for god, we're his children, you cal call it anything but "insignificant", and dude, god has an endless power, knowledge and love, so amuch that we can't even imagine, having that I our minds it's not hard to believe that he can be in "multiple places at the same time", the realm of why he can do that it's because his time is different to ours, I can't remember the exactly measure but it's like 1day ---> 1 year

This doesn't explain how you've experienced god, at all.

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God demands worship without evidence of his existence, rewarding blind faith and stupidity instead of reason or good actions, meaning the nicest person in the world will still burn for all eternity if he's an atheist but a choir boy touching pastor will get to go to heaven if he asks for forgiveness?

Incorrect, you don't just go straight to heaven or hell after dying...
It ACTUALLY says in the bible that when you die you rest until the Apocalypse and your soul will be awakened to pretty much hell on earth from where you will have to endure 7 years of trials and tribulations
and after those 7 hard years the ones who have kept their faith through the pain and misfortune ascend to heaven and the rest just stuck on the now Hell struck planet called Earth...

Pretty much God doesn't judge based off of how good you've been or how much of a piece of shit you are he judges on he loyal you are to Him... So technically as a Christian I believe everyone has a very good chance at going to hell religious or not religious because we're all going to basically have to go through hell in order to see if we are worthy to be with God, we don't just go straight to heaven or hell...

I just wanted to clear that up for any Christian who thinks they know who's going to heaven or hell or not or for every smart ass atheist who thinks they have our religion all figured out...

Christians have fun being judgmental!
Atheists have fun being offensive!

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Atheists have fun being offensive!

not all the time
alot of them are though >n>

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Incorrect, you don't just go straight to heaven or hell after dying...

That depends on the sect you follow. Some don't believe there's any sort of conscious experience between death and final judgment. But many sects believe that unrepentant sinners wait in hell for the second coming.

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Why can't he?

That's why we have free will in our actions, what would be the purpose of life if he controls and attempts to correcting us everytime we're doing something wrong?

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Sput the forbidden fruit in their reach knowing that they'd eat it, then gets angry when they do and condemns all of humanity to burn in hell for all eternity?

wrong, this was the first step of his plan, everything had to start with a "sin", because this's not considered a sin, it's a transgression (a necessary "sin"), he didn't created any hell or something like that, that hapenned thousands years ago, and that transgression was "paid" with Jesus's atonement, paying for all of our sins in order to fulfill the demands of justice and mercy by letting us repent for what we did, if we really are

Sice jesus dead we all just have to pay for OUR sins, not for others' sins, i don't know why some people thinks that they must baptize babies because of the "original sin", as i said, we just have to pay for our sins, and babies a pure and beings ^^

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Not all humans are born in equality either, so without access to this "divine knowledge" some people don't even have the chance to believe in your absurd christian Jahve god, which means automatic hell for them.

wrong again, god it's a fair being, for the people who didn't had the chance to know the true gospel, will be judged by their intentions, for what they believe in their hearths, like, if they would have the chance to believe in him and they accept jesus as their only savior i'm sure they will have a good fate, but if someone it's like "nah i don't even care, I'll not change my mind"...... afterlife we'll still have oue free will, we can chose to not follow him, but that's another topic ^^

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This doesn't explain how you've experienced god, at all.

sorry did you want me to explain one of my experiences?

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That depends on the sect you follow. Some don't believe there's any sort of conscious experience between death and final judgment. But many sects believe that unrepentant sinners wait in hell for the second coming.

yes we in islam beleive that the souls of the deads stay in the grave waiting for judgment day...until that time good peapole stay happy in a temporarry heaven...as for siners...they will be suffering before even judgment day when they will have the final punishement wish is being burned for their sins and then sent to heaven or staying in hell for ever as great sinners !

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That's why we have free will in our actions, what would be the purpose of life if he controls and attempts to correcting us everytime we're doing something wrong?

Do you think free will is a good thing? Also, do you think that we have free will in heaven?

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sorry did you want me to explain one of my experiences?

Not really, since I'm sure it's little more than you explaining something you don't understand with "God did it", which is basically where the concept originated in the first place. I'm just saying your response had nothing to do with what 2-D said.

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Do you think free will is a good thing? Also, do you think that we have free will in heaven?

it is a good gift, i don't know your opinion, but i don't like the idea of just do what another being orders me without asking my opinion or what do i want to do, and yes we'll have free will in heaven

Do you think that after we all die, if we are good people, we will just live in a hapiness state forever?, the story doesn't ends when we die, it's just the begining

but I don't hope that you all understand this at once... actually i see no intention of any of you to listen other's opinion with an open mind, I'll just stop right here, if you really want to know something, pm me i'll be glad to answer