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Jun 20, 2012 1:04 AM #680692
http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-humans-with-super-human-vision/article_view?b_start:int=0&-C=

Check out this article. This absolutely boggles my mind. These researches have apparently found at least one woman with 4 different types of cone cells in her eyes which allow her to see more colors than everyone else. I cannot even begin to comprehend what that must be like. I would give anything to be able to experience that.

What are your thoughts on this?
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Jun 20, 2012 5:21 AM #680793
What I find interesting is that the human body has the capacity to perceive a greater range on the visible spectrum, yet somehow the majority of us are limited in the colours we see. I wonder what the disadvantage is to seeing more.

It would be interesting to see if any mutations lead people in seeing colours outside the visible spectrum.
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Jun 20, 2012 8:49 AM #680835
It's funny because I was having a discussion with my dad the other day about audiophiles, and how I wish there were conclusive blind tests that showed whether or not someone can really tell the difference between a file at 128 kbps, and one at 256 kbps, or if a person can hear the difference of a file beyond 320 kbps. I was saying that it some times feels like audiophiles only pretend to be special so that they can feel some sort of unwarranted self-importance, and that they only say they can hear the difference because they know it's there. I compared it to someone changing a color hex by one unit and then claiming they could see a difference because they know it's there, despite looking identical to the human eye.

This article sort of changes my perspective on that, because it is definitely possible for someone to perceive a wider range of colors than the average person, so why wouldn't it work the same for hearing? It would be interesting if someone was born that was able to see infrared or hear radio waves. It would make me wonder if somehow there was a need for it in their environment or if it was just a test mutation.
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Jun 20, 2012 9:06 AM #680839
One more thing that guys miss out on, with color blindness they get a 4th cone, we get a broken one...
I've always wondered what it would be like explaining color to a blind or completely colorblind person.
But I'm seeing a lot more stories on 'superhuman' traits lately... Whats next?
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Jun 20, 2012 3:12 PM #681095
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What I find interesting is that the human body has the capacity to perceive a greater range on the visible spectrum, yet somehow the majority of us are limited in the colours we see. I wonder what the disadvantage is to seeing more.


This is kinda like saying we have the capacity to have four arms, but we're "limited" because we only have two.

There's no disadvantage to having more cone cells, there's just not a significant enough advantage compared to having three for evolution to selectively favor it.

Quote from Jeff]I cannot even begin to comprehend what that must be like.[/quote]

The only way tetrachromacy would let you see completely new colors is if the added cone's photospins were sensitive to frequencies higher or lower than the three we already have. From what I can gather, that's not the case in that article. They just see more intermediate hues between colors we already see, which is still awesome, but probably not as extraordinary as you think.

Quote from JeffIt's funny because I was having a discussion with my dad the other day about audiophiles, and how I wish there were conclusive blind tests that showed whether or not someone can really tell the difference between a file at 128 kbps, and one at 256 kbps, or if a person can hear the difference of a file beyond 320 kbps.

This completely depends on the source file, MP3s trim down frequencies that are too high for humans to hear. Lower bitrates start cutting into audible frequencies, so recordings with lots of hi-hats, cymbals, higher pitched instruments, etc. will suffer more from a lower bitrate than, say, an acapella recording.

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I was saying that it some times feels like audiophiles only pretend to be special so that they can feel some sort of unwarranted self-importance, and that they only say they can hear the difference because they know it's there.


Eh, audiophiles are usually full of shit, but they probably have much nicer headphones and/or speakers with large frequency responses. I have a pair of AKG K701's and most of the time, I can tell the difference with them. On normal speakers it's not very noticeable.

Also, I'm nitpicking, but nobody would ever "hear" radio waves, since they're a form of electromagnetic radiation like light.
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Jun 20, 2012 5:46 PM #681225
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Also, I'm nitpicking, but nobody would ever "hear" radio waves, since they're a form of electromagnetic radiation like light.


On the roosterteeth podcast the guys once discussed the phenomenon of when you hear a song in your head, and it's playing on the radio when you turn it on. It's most likely just due to the popularity of the song, but they wondered what if at some point, because we are constantly being bombarded with waves of all kinds, that being exposed to waves of a certain time for long enough might have some effect on your brain, influencing it.

Something to think about huh?
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Jun 20, 2012 6:59 PM #681270
..no. there are like 5 different ways to explain why that makes absolutely no sense, but I'm rather tired so.. just trust me on this one.
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Jun 21, 2012 8:13 AM #681514
Either I've misread this or I'm stupid, but it really doesn't sound that cool?

Like I can't think of any sizable difference it could have, considering you're not actually seeing outside the spectrum we can already see, just in more detail.
It's kinda hard to comprehend what It would actually be like.
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Jun 21, 2012 9:09 AM #681534
I wonder if you have this ability, you could also differentiate the colors of a spirit from reality, that means you see ghosts! O.O
I'd rather have the normal ability (although I can't a bit identify colors, especially green and brown) rather than a super eye to perceive colors...
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Jun 21, 2012 11:08 AM #681589
Ghosts aren't real.
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Jun 21, 2012 12:24 PM #681631
Let's stay on topic people.

It's just the fact that those people can support an extra cone that wierds me out a tiny bit- what about rods? Can people have extra rods?
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Jun 21, 2012 12:59 PM #681664
No. All cones are structurally similar, the only difference is the type of photopsin within them. Different photopsins absorb different frequency bands of light, and the color we see depends on which types of cone cells are activated.

Rods only contain rhodopsin, and it's mostly activated by blue-green light, but it doesn't really contribute to color vision. Rods are primarily for low-light vision, which is why a dark room appears purple-ish. Cones aren't sensitive enough to differentiate between other colors in dark conditions.
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Jun 21, 2012 10:57 PM #682089
Quote from Kieran.

Like I can't think of any sizable difference it could have, considering you're not actually seeing outside the spectrum we can already see, just in more detail.
It's kinda hard to comprehend what It would actually be like.


But we actually have no idea what it would be like at all. Same as it will be normal for them, it's not like they're going to feel different or anything; if they were like that since birth then it would be completely normal. It's really interesting though!
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Jun 21, 2012 11:44 PM #682113
What I want to see is people with cones that allow them to see outside the visible spectrum. Someone with infra-red vision would be sweet!

We studied this in psych, and the problem is it's really hard to study. To study someone with four cones, we'd really need to know what sets off the cone, and we'd have to replicate the results. People can just interpret colours differently based on things like language. In English, we have a word for all of the main colours. For Aborigines, they have a word each for 2 different shades of what we call "brown". One's a more orangey brown, the other is more amber-brown. Now, people who don't speak and grew up in a Aborigine culture can't tell the difference, but they can.

So yeah...vision is weird like th
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Jun 22, 2012 12:56 AM #682152
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For Aborigines, they have a word each for 2 different shades of what we call "brown". One's a more orangey brown, the other is more amber-brown. Now, people who don't speak and grew up in a Aborigine culture can't tell the difference, but they can


Do you mean Australian Aborigines? What do you mean people who aren't Aborigines "Can't tell the difference"?
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