The one real way to know would to be to snoop around in the source code, since RNG is RNG, so it could pick any other map more than others in 100 map picks vs another 100 map picks?

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The one real way to know would to be to snoop around in the source code, since RNG is RNG, so it could pick any other map more than others in 100 map picks vs another 100 map picks?

100 picks would be pretty convincing data on its own regardless. Chance is unlikely to be that way off 1:1 in 100 games. Statistically it should be off 1:1 because that's more likely but not way off.

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DAZ, you knew but you still did it. idk man, I'm kinda seeing it as an attempt to purposely piss him off. People use literally, literally all the time. It's a bad example, but you know what I'm getting at.

Also on the subject, you guys aren't what exactly I'm calling off topic, not yet. Pumu is commentating that there's a probably bug happening in the game, while the rest of you are denying it. Until you guys can make pumu believe it ain't a bug, or pumu convince you guys (unlikely), this can go on.

Well, unless I receive reports from everyone calling off topic, I'll step in then.

You know what, considering we've provided all the mathematical proof how you cannot make an argument off anecdotal evidence, and how some arguments were illegitimate from the first place (how can being LEFT be favoured in a game where it's it's impossible to not be 50/50 split for left/right?). We're discussing the legitimacy of wikipedia, ffs, because no one can say shit on whether maps are actually swinging in balance, and quite clearly, pumu does not care enough to record every map he plays on. Map selection should essentially be pseudo-random, but that is virtually (and I mean the actual meaning of virtually) the same as random. You can refer to each as the same thing.

"DAZ, you knew but you still did it. idk man, I'm kinda seeing it as an attempt to purposely piss him off."

He provided 3-4 asinine arguments throughout the last page, not subjective experience, objectively incorrect. Like I said. They should go back to whatever degree of education they're involved in and look up (basic; thank you Rain) statistics/random distribution and check up how it works.

"Until you guys can make pumu believe it ain't a bug, or pumu convince you guys (unlikely), this can go on."

You know what, when was the last time a bug/problem meant anything here? You either email Brock or communicate with them on some sort of other medium, or nothing gets through. I personally believe we should lock this + comments/suggestions threads. When was the last time this shit got anything done?

"The one real way to know would to be to snoop around in the source code, since RNG is RNG, so it could pick any other map more than others in 100 map picks vs another 100 map picks?"

Pseudo-random can be considered random in almost every scenario. In fact, pseudo-random is basically a misnomer because it implies it's false randomness when it functions in effectively the same manner. Assuming Brock is shit at coding, the randomness seems to work well enough where everyone gets different results in practice.

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"DAZ, you knew but you still did it. idk man, I'm kinda seeing it as an attempt to purposely piss him off. People use literally, literally all the time. It's a bad example, but you know what I'm getting at."

Firstly "Basically a 5:1 ratio in favor of castle being qued as opposed to anything else."

5:1 sounds like he's making a statement with virtually, at least on some level.

You see everything as an attempt to purposely piss off. I'm poking at all his holes. Have you noticed the lack of coherent argument in SE section? Because it's a recurring theme, and everyone with a sense has left. It's why you see no half-decent player here talking game balance either. We've always known SE section has horrific logic and is especially shameful compared to the rest of StickPage when they can get honestly illuminating and productive arguments on serious discussion and topics. We are having falsified arguments over objective facts. This is a joke.

Back onto topic. We have provided all the proof that trying to make an anecdotal claim on maps is silly, and that the "i spawn on left" is impossible to be favouring someone. Either come back with some data, or don't talk shit.

My post's not to say I disagree with you. In fact I agree with you, the fact that pumu somehow hasn't acknowledge the fact bewilders me. His argument on wikipedia being incorrect is the stupidest thing I've heard all month; I just used them for o levels ffs (with a cross reference to textbooks, which has some validity). It was annoying to see him deny it but like, he's not pissing you off... not purposely I guess. But still, it seems to me you're purposely trying to piss him off, which shouldn't happen.

"You know what, when was the last time a bug/problem meant anything here? You either email Brock or communicate with them on some sort of other medium, or nothing gets through. I personally believe we should lock this + comments/suggestions threads. When was the last time this shit got anything done?"

That is true, I don't think any action was taken even if anything was reported on this thread, or any other threads. That said, do you want me to lock this? How about the others, if you are in rhyme with DAZ here?

"You see everything as an attempt to purposely piss off. I'm poking at all his holes. Have you noticed the lack of coherent argument in SE section? Because it's a recurring theme, and everyone with a sense has left. It's why you see no half-decent player here talking game balance either. We've always known SE section has horrific logic and is especially shameful compared to the rest of StickPage when they can get honestly illuminating and productive arguments on serious discussion and topics. We are having falsified arguments over objective facts. This is a joke."

I think it's more towards that there's nothing to actually discuss about SE. The rest of the forums are definitely better, but not by such a large margin I'd say so myself. They are only better when they have a topic someone's brought up. The same goes here; when a topic's brought up, people discuss it. The problem is, there's no topic. If you have one, bring it up. Make a thread. Discussions will flow by itself. If people start speaking irrelevant, stupid stuff, report it and move on. If you want to make this section better, then do the effort. Like when you're making the wiki. You've taken a shitty wiki, and made it into a great one now, yeah? You can do it here too. I'll gladly lend a hand in reconstructing this section.

Oh I'm not pissed in the slightest. I'm a bit bothered by his method of sifting through my posts and picking what he so chooses from them in a counterproductive manner and calling this section of the site a joke. However, this section is based around a flash game that none of us will actually stick to for the remainder of our lives and as such doesn't need to be taken as seriously.

In saying I agree to this, I also find that this section at least require a small portion of professionalism regarding any subject matter brought into it. I tend to float around this section primarily to assist other users to grow in the game; in depth tutorials, one on one skype discussions, and ordinary CnC to others' gameplay to name a few. Constructive and positive always. Never nitpicky or generally unhelpful. These two sections being a place where we have the option to throw information to where all other users here can see and either validate, provide evidence as to why what one refer to as bug to merely be coincidence, and/or provide their own input on the matter in any other way they see fit. This thread is merely a place in which the poster would bring their problem to the table to discuss amongst other users before sending the issue to someone who can do something about it. If we just flooded the email of the creators with everything that came to our attention without discussing it here first, we would have a lot of needless shit that would be pointless for them to have to sort through. But yeah, "joke".

More than half-decent players post here the majority of the time.
Wyz when he's around
Myst
Myself
Yourself @Daz don't pretend you aren't around bro. I see ya :D
Zomar

Hell. We've even got the occasional scrub posting on this forum.
*cough*
MasterKaito
*cough*

What's the point of your presence in this section if you only take this side of stick page as a joke?

(Incorrect and unreliable are two different words with two different meanings. I have you my opinion. Respect it or don't, I suppose. @daz not really possible to bring valid evidence that anyone person could falsify merely by taking screenshots at their discretion of the maps appearance. I don't like wiki, get over yourself. Let's focus on something that is actually on topic now instead of typing "back on topic,..." And still continuing to speak over the same subject. That was humorous enough for me to point out to you. Not sure if that was a subtle slip up in your process of scribing intellegent yet highly literal/opinionated pos. Since you seem like you speak the language, let me give you an instance in another field of writing. Let's say... Personification. When people say, "The wind whispered as it blew through the leaves of the foliage..." Do they literally mean the wind decided that it would utter sweet and tender nothings? Not at all right? Apply your "basic knowledge" that you learned from your education and apply it to the best of your ability when reading Daz. I'll do my part and not use ratios when attempting to give a general perspective regarding my experiences.)

WyzDM said on stream a while ago that he thinks he is on the left more than on the right but more importantly cited an idea that ping speed may determine left/right allocation. I think he even said Brock told him the code was just random allocation but this idea at least has some semblance of an explanation for a bias. Obviously half of SE games are played on the left but the idea would be that some players get this side more often and vica versa. The reason I bring this up as even worth considering is that unlike with a map that brings many biases to memory of events I cannot imagine any such influence on a left/right bias. Alsl logging left/right bias should not be so hard for me to do without spending much time on it.

If WyzDM's theory is correct then as my ping is usually not great I should find I get a right side map bias where he would get a left side bias.

"If you want to make this section better, then do the effort. Like when you're making the wiki. You've taken a shitty wiki, and made it into a great one now, yeah? You can do it here too. I'll gladly lend a hand in reconstructing this section."

www.teamzenith.com

Or we could start from scratch. Like we did with the wiki. Here, we're an open forum (community hub), with people getting out high quality media, guides and content.

Stick Empires wiki is broken.

Some fgt just erases everything and links to his twitter lol

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Stick Empires wiki is broken.

Some fgt just erases everything and links to his twitter lol

Give some links? It looks fine to me.

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Give some links? It looks fine to me.

It's all fixed ._.

Kudos to whoever went through all that to fix everything up.

EDIT: A majority of the elemental units don't have pages for them or they weren't linked properly.

Hmm? Oh I'll check on the wiki again.

This game has some serious problems that needs to be addressed and fixed or it will forever remain mediocre
1-People who lag switch or have severe unnatural ping AKA Allah/Miscrits these people ruin the game and are the main reason why most top players quit since it is so hard to obtain rating once you get 2400+. Just make this game server based so there can be a average ping
2-Freezers This is the worst issue, This frustrates me so much, you either leave the game there forever and hope for the best or leave and lose your rating to the one who wants to wait the longest.
3- Castle and Grasshills these maps provide a unfair advantage to Order/Chaos and must be removed.
4- +0 Rating as a 2500 player You will certainly rage or get frustrated if you wait on 1000+ queue times just to get some 1700 to get +0 or some lag abuser, main reason why many players quit. Make the minimum rating +1 and fix queue times.
Players such as micrits and allah should be Permanently IP banned since they simply ruin the game for players by abusing lag, EX: Allah made the ping have up to 5 second delay and I had him on castle which already gives him a advantage since Order has superior early units and requires no micro, any player can kill a chaos player with 5 second delay on castle going sword/archer 222222222222222.
Fix these severe issues and you might have a decent game and not many players quitting.

I have reported Allah, as have others, with video evidence multiple times... Miscrits is the same... his abuse continues.

Also, total300, I just submitted a video I took of his cheating abuse today to Ase... we will see if anything happens...

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This game has some serious problems that needs to be addressed and fixed or it will forever remain mediocre
1-People who lag switch or have severe unnatural ping AKA Allah/Miscrits these people ruin the game and are the main reason why most top players quit since it is so hard to obtain rating once you get 2400+. Just make this game server based so there can be a average ping
2-Freezers This is the worst issue, This frustrates me so much, you either leave the game there forever and hope for the best or leave and lose your rating to the one who wants to wait the longest.
3- Castle and Grasshills these maps provide a unfair advantage to Order/Chaos and must be removed.
4- +0 Rating as a 2500 player You will certainly rage or get frustrated if you wait on 1000+ queue times just to get some 1700 to get +0 or some lag abuser, main reason why many players quit. Make the minimum rating +1 and fix queue times.
Players such as micrits and allah should be Permanently IP banned since they simply ruin the game for players by abusing lag, EX: Allah made the ping have up to 5 second delay and I had him on castle which already gives him a advantage since Order has superior early units and requires no micro, any player can kill a chaos player with 5 second delay on castle going sword/archer 222222222222222.
Fix these severe issues and you might have a decent game and not many players quitting.

And now for the defence!

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And now for the defence!

Speartons, ho. *builds wall and triple CA*