yes i am in america and opiates aren't entirely prohibited, it's something that can be prescribed. i think they need to do this with heroin, a much more powerful opiate. for the same reason they do this with opiate dependance (or do they just do that because they feel guilty for providing the painkillers that we're getting addicted to?) why not supply people with small administered doses of CLEAN heroin in a SAFE environment in order to ween them off of it and help improve their life? this is a much better alternative to flat out legalizing drugs. it'll help deter larger drug cartels if people are quitting. it can save people's lives. sorry i don't know more about the system i'm thinking of, or exactly how it works. maybe i will try to find it.

Carstraft, your suggestion reminded me of a video I watched a while ago; Osho did an interesting spiel on drug legalization also.

He suggested that instead of prohibiting drugs, governments should work to purify them and remove their negative effects, and have them available for therapeutic benefit for people who want to relax for a few hours.

Some key quotes from the video so you don't have to watch it all if you don't want to:

"All the governments should help the scientists to find better drugs, with lesser side effects, rather than repressing drugs. It is stupid. Whenever you start stopping something you give great importance to it, and particularly to the youth. It becomes a provocation."

"every hospital should have a room; anybody who wants to have a drug experience under medical care, should be given it, because it is worth having. And I think that is the only way to take away the whole charm out of drugs."

"the way we have made the society, people are so miserable that they need something to forget what is happening to their life; what their wife is doing to them; what their boss is doing to them; what their husband is doing to them; what their children are doing to them. Those poor people need something at least to have a few hours of relaxation."

"sending young people to imprisonment does not help. You simply destroy those young people. You destroy their education. And I have not seen a single person who has been imprisoned that has come out changed. He comes out, and again, back to the drugs. Now he comes out more professional than he had gone in the prison, because there are experts already inside the prison who know more about drugs. He was just an amateur, now from all those people he gets the ideas of other drugs."

"There is no need for all this nonsense. Courts are involved, jails are involved, young people are destroyed; it is the duty of every government to provide the people with some kind of relaxation, some kind of peace, some kind of silence. If you cannot provide meditation, at least you can provide medicine. To me drugs should be medicine. And if we want, we can change all the bad effects; it can become a healthy thing. Each Sunday morning, rather than going to the church, you just go on a trip!"

i dunno about that, doing drugs in a fucking hospital sounds horribly dull. let alone some government shit, rather than dat gud shit i get from the guy in the ally

yeah, i know it doesn't sound ideal to drug users as a whole, but in what he was suggesting that as just an option to go with free recreational use. i probably should have quoted that more clearly. the hospital thing idea sounded like it would be for people who are going to be worried about their own safety when they're tripping balls, experienced users would not need this treatment.

also, this is coming from an guy who is actually somewhat against drug use. he's just suggesting a significantly healthier alternative to the laws and regulations we have in place now. kind of like "you can't stop people from doing it so you may as well give them the option to do it without fucking killing themselves because they can't handle the mushrooms"

yeah, but a system like that is just begging to be exploited

I think drugs should only be legalized for prescription only, for example marijuana. other than that taking drugs just for pleasure or introducing it into food items so that the the consumer gets addicted, is wrong and should not be legalized.

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I think drugs should only be legalized for prescription only, for example marijuana. other than that taking drugs just for pleasure or introducing it into food items so that the the consumer gets addicted, is wrong and should not be legalized.

haha what the fuck

are you seriously talking about pot brownies and the such?

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I think drugs should only be legalized for prescription only, for example marijuana. other than that taking drugs just for pleasure or introducing it into food items so that the the consumer gets addicted, is wrong and should not be legalized.

well weed is the only drug that i think should be fully legal for recreational use.

scarecrow that's interesting sort of. it'd have to be heavily monitored and set up so people couldn't repeatedly abuse it and get addicted to heavy drugs. it would probably be abused. but it would at least give clean drugs. buuuut i like the idea of a rehabilitation center that's allowed to supply heavy drugs to help people. clean drugs, clean needles, clean people, happy world!

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well weed is the only drug that i think should be fully legal for recreational use.

scarecrow that's interesting sort of. it'd have to be heavily monitored and set up so people couldn't repeatedly abuse it and get addicted to heavy drugs. it would probably be abused. but it would at least give clean drugs. buuuut i like the idea of a rehabilitation center that's allowed to supply heavy drugs to help people. clean drugs, clean needles, clean people, happy world!

yeah ok let's just let everyone do heroin good idea kyle. I bet you've even done heroin before and that's why you want everyone to do it because you're a hopeless heroin junky man you're gross for doing heroin.

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What do you mean by that

Psychedelics have the potential to provide you with introspective spiritual(I can elaborate on what I mean by spiritual if you want) insight. I can go on for hours about psychedelics and the intellectual, spiritual, motivational, and creative impacts they can have on an individual so if you could elaborate on what you don't understand by "spiritual benefits" or how I could explain it to you better I'd appreciate it.

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Drug legalization has nothing to do with harmful effects of drugs. In America, each individual should be allowed to say what he/she ingests or does with their own body (as far as it doesn't infringe on other people's individual liberties). Stop the (failed) war on drugs and reallocate funds to objectively educating people on the effects of drugs.

I for one don't care about most drugs being legalized (besides the fact that cocaine, heroin, and meth legalization would destroy the Mexican Drug Cartel economy) but there is a completely unreasonable scheduling of psychedelic substances (psilocybin mushrooms, LSD (acid), iboga, DMT (also ayahuasca), 2cE, MDMA) that is unfounded. Almost all psychedelic substances are physically harmless, non-addictive, and have significant therapeutic and spiritual benefits.

also weed but that's definitely gonna get legalized eventually everywhere

only 32% of amercians want to illegalize marijuana. You make a good point highly. Your a hard person to disagree with.

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(I can elaborate on what I mean by spiritual if you want)

I would like that; that's the part that I'm not understanding the meaning of.

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I would like that; that's the part that I'm not understanding the meaning of.

I'm using a spiritual to mean a feeling of connectedness with everything and an enhanced awareness of yourself and your place in the universe.

Odd how we describe a feeling of connection to the universe as spiritual, when we also call beings that aren't part of the universe as spirits.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, just an observation.