To let everyone know in advance we are doing a very important balance change. We will be lowering the health of miners dramatically, increasing there attack damage, and adding health buff for miners to the "Miner Hustle" ability.

The reason behind this, is we do not want the best strategy in the game to also be the easiest, and we intend to have a more interesting and dynamic early game. At the moment a player can simply build, Miner, Miner, Miner , Miner, Miner. Oh they attacking me? Castle archer, Miner, Miner, Miner. This is not ideal. And a player building purely economic should be punished by the enemy that has scouted and countered you with pure offense.

We think this new patch will create more dynamic openings, and require scouting and constant battle, hence a overall better game.
Adding the health buff to miner hustle will also solve the issue of miners being TOO squishy in the late game.

I'm not sure if I like the idea of miners having lower health or LOVE IT
So when are we expecting the patch Jay?

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To let everyone know in advance we are doing a very important balance change. We will be lowering the health of miners dramatically, increasing there attack damage, and adding health buff for miners to the "Miner Hustle" ability.

The reason behind this, is we do not want the best strategy in the game to also be the easiest, and we intend to have a more interesting and dynamic early game. At the moment a player can simply build, Miner, Miner, Miner , Miner, Miner. Oh they attacking me? Castle archer, Miner, Miner, Miner. This is not ideal. And a player building purely economic should be punished by the enemy that has scouted and countered you with pure offense.

We think this new patch will create more dynamic openings, and require scouting and constant battle, hence a overall better game.
Adding the health buff to miner hustle will also solve the issue of miners being TOO squishy in the late game.

Quick question. Does miner hustle do anything for mana income? If not, would it be possible to add it? I find, those tough games where I need to use amazing control and abilities, I'm short on mana, even with 5 miners on it.

Strange...the best strategies are rush strategies. If it were up to me I would actually buff miner. Teching is no longer viable.

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Quick question. Does miner hustle do anything for mana income? If not, would it be possible to add it? I find, those tough games where I need to use amazing control and abilities, I'm short on mana, even with 5 miners on it.

Miner Hustle only increases the walking speed of the miner, and now health of the miner: The passive income levels will increase mana and gold. However if you think about it, if you get miner hustle you will need less miners on gold and can put more on mana. So it does benfit mana just not directly.

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Strange...the best strategies are rush strategies. If it were up to me I would actually buff miner. Teching is no longer viable.

The best strategies are not rush strategies however we need to find a balance so that Rush, balanced or economic will all work, atm, the only thing that works is Economic, because like I said Miner, Miner, Miner, Miner, Miner, Castle archer, Miner, Miner, Miner. is not how the game is intended.

Okay, another one. The whole "SUPER MINIMIZE THE SCREEN" thing. Can that be turned off? :p

I'd like to play you then Crazy Jay, because I haven't found any eco-rusher even remotely successful against me. I am guessing you probably use your strategy combined with a wall, but even then I am not so sure it is the superior one. Possibly fancy a game now if you're on?

THANK YOU! I like my miners squishy.
Though I do find that if you don't know how to hold them off, rush builds are already a bit... dare I say, imba?
I realize what's happening and that it has to change, but people may become more frustrated by rushing...

P.S. Are you planning to tell the player when they're lagging out? I'm guilty of turtling pretty hard, and if I had a message pop up, maybe I could prevent another unnecessary defeat.

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Okay, another one. The whole "SUPER MINIMIZE THE SCREEN" thing. Can that be turned off? :p

We are working on tweeking it so it only happens in extreme situations of slow computationalisim.

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I'd like to play you then Crazy Jay, because I haven't found any eco-rusher even remotely successful against me. I am guessing you probably use your strategy combined with a wall, but even then I am not so sure it is the superior one. Possibly fancy a game now if you're on?

Please share your strat to counter it? whats your user name and rating.

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THANK YOU! I like my miners squishy.
Though I do find that if you don't know how to hold them off, rush builds are already a bit... dare I say, imba?
I realize what's happening and that it has to change, but people may become more frustrated by rushing...

P.S. Are you planning to tell the player when they're lagging out? I'm guilty of turtling pretty hard, and if I had a message pop up, maybe I could prevent another unnecessary defeat.

Yes if its not already done, we will have the lagging out messege.

Miner squishy, keep in mind they will be squishy off the start however will gain more health later on. Not to mention they get a big buff in attack damage. before the miner hustle.

PS triple post dont ban me!

So... i suppose i could consider the miners as slow swordwrath?
oh and another thing, why chaos miners not only have regeneration but also more hp than the order miners?

dude.... not a big fan of the new miner health thing... its changed the game to where it feels like a cheap shot in the groin every time i play... i was ranked number 14 when i got on today after the patch and played, saw the patch, didnt think it would be that big of a deal. However, right after the game started it was all out rush, which is usually fine, but since i never use castle archer, and my strategy requires my miners to take a little bit of punishment, i get my ass kicked... Also i don't go all out economic, i guess im what you would call balanced, also i have a strategy that beats all out economic almost every time. unless im playing someone like frozenfury, although im not sure he uses all out economic, but its more economic then rush, that's for sure.

Anyways, this is me pleading to have it changed back : ) also i can show you how i beat all out economic if you like. Even though I'm being a crybaby right now, thank you very much for allowing me to play in your beta and all the work youve done on this AWESOME game!

Ok i having the problem with the miners and stuff....the lowered health leave me with no choice but to do FULL early rush and that usually lead to who beat the other player early rush force win the game because as soon as you beat them go for miners.I got beat twice, have had a hard time to get back to rank 30....and another thing, why ALL game i play are either in halloween map or castle??? the maps are freaking short.