The origins of the universe.

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Nov 20, 2012 6:13 PM #792852
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Why not?

You have to maintain a reasonable level of skepticism. Constantly doubting your own existence, or your senses is counterproductive.

Also, I trust the word of certain people over others, because of the previous experience I'v had with them.
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Nov 20, 2012 8:44 PM #792942
Read this article a while back:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/11/physicists-may-have-evide_n_1957777.html

Was wondering if some science-heads could post what they think of it. Surely all that it can tell us is that our laws are prescriptive (as opposed to descriptive) and that there are hard limits to those laws? Does this even imply simulation?
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Nov 20, 2012 8:49 PM #792950
Woah, my education is waaaaay too poor to handle that shit, bro.

But I never exclude the possibility of much anything.
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Nov 20, 2012 9:11 PM #792976
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Read this article a while back:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/11/physicists-may-have-evide_n_1957777.html

Was wondering if some science-heads could post what they think of it. Surely all that it can tell us is that our laws are prescriptive (as opposed to descriptive) and that there are hard limits to those laws? Does this even imply simulation?

OH THIS IS IT! The shit I was referring to with the 3rd theory. About there being some new evidence supporting the "matrix" idea. Thanks Automaton. I'v been looking for the article on this for a while.
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Nov 20, 2012 10:07 PM #793060
The guy who wrote that article has no idea what he's talking about.

To simulate the universe with a finite amount of computational power, the laws of physics would need a bottom-limit where they stop being simulated accurately. This limit would represent space as a three-dimensional lattice, physical laws would be superimposed onto it, and reality would be simulated by the lattice moving in increments of time. What the physicists are wondering is if this limit would make the simulation appear different in any way to a "real" universe that has no bottom-limit, because if it does then that's something we could possibly observe.

It would most likely affect high energy processes which affect smaller areas of space as they become more energetic. That means a simulation would theoretically have a limit on how energetic a particle can be, since it can't affect a region of space smaller than the lattice that simulates it. The GZK limit is exactly that -- an upper limit on the energy of cosmic rays.

The idea is that if we live in a simulated universe, the direction these high-energy particles travel wouldn't be random, they would start to move closer to the lattice's axes as they approach the energy limit. So if we're ever able to actually measure their movement, it could be a theoretical method of proving we live in a simulated universe. It's a hypothesis with a huge number of assumptions that may be testable in the future, but nothing about it has anything to do with discovering evidence that we live in a simulation.


If this went over your heads, sorry. This is kind of a hard concept to simplify and I doubt I have a good enough understanding of it myself to properly explain it to someone else.
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Nov 21, 2012 2:48 AM #793317
Daaaaaaaamn.
Exilement you purty educated at times.
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Nov 21, 2012 6:28 AM #793491
People aren't educated *at times*; it's a characteristic, not a process.
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Nov 21, 2012 6:51 AM #793508
Like being a homosexual? Fusion?
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Nov 23, 2012 1:40 PM #795443
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OH THIS IS IT! The shit I was referring to with the 3rd theory. About there being some new evidence supporting the "matrix" idea. Thanks Automaton. I'v been looking for the article on this for a while.

:D yeah I thought it might have been, had to look back on my facebook for the guy that linked it to me.

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The guy who wrote that article has no idea what he's talking about.

To simulate the universe with a finite amount of computational power, the laws of physics would need a bottom-limit where they stop being simulated accurately. This limit would represent space as a three-dimensional lattice, physical laws would be superimposed onto it, and reality would be simulated by the lattice moving in increments of time. What the physicists are wondering is if this limit would make the simulation appear different in any way to a "real" universe that has no bottom-limit, because if it does then that's something we could possibly observe.

It would most likely affect high energy processes which affect smaller areas of space as they become more energetic. That means a simulation would theoretically have a limit on how energetic a particle can be, since it can't affect a region of space smaller than the lattice that simulates it. The GZK limit is exactly that -- an upper limit on the energy of cosmic rays.

The idea is that if we live in a simulated universe, the direction these high-energy particles travel wouldn't be random, they would start to move closer to the lattice's axes as they approach the energy limit. So if we're ever able to actually measure their movement, it could be a theoretical method of proving we live in a simulated universe. It's a hypothesis with a huge number of assumptions that may be testable in the future, but nothing about it has anything to do with discovering evidence that we live in a simulation.


If this went over your heads, sorry. This is kind of a hard concept to simplify and I doubt I have a good enough understanding of it myself to properly explain it to someone else.

I kind of get it, might have to re-read that a few times though. I just didn't like the concept of using simulations to prove the universe is a simulation, seems like a weird kind of circular reasoning in some way, but that's probably just my uneducated mind not grasping the concept properly :')
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Dec 24, 2012 4:24 PM #827904
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it doesn't make any sense either that a god should came from no where and randomly create the universe, why would he even make the universe? what's the point? why would you believe in something you can't even prove, nor you can't see him, and you can't *touch him* i did believe in god one time, but nothing really happen
the difference between the bible and science is that, science actually can prove things, you can even look up in space and see, things like other stars, galaxy's, the other planets in our solar system, you can even see the process of other solar systems being created the same way as ours was if you have a good enough telescope, but you can't look at space and see any prove of that a *god* existing.


yet science cant prove the big bang or evolution it can give evidence for or against God it cant prove eithers truth though
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Dec 24, 2012 4:59 PM #827947
the big bang theory is just a theory :l
and evolution is both a fact and theory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIm2H0ksawg
this video explain why it's both a fact and theory so i recommend watching that before replaying
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Dec 24, 2012 5:36 PM #828003
You need to understand the difference between a layman "theory" and a scientific theory:

A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."


- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

The Big Bang and Evolution are both scientific theories, and as such are regarded as true. Those of you who don't have any idea about science and how it works and choose to live in religious ignorance should really take the time to read up before jumping to fallacious conclusions.
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Dec 24, 2012 6:46 PM #828074
Well maybe universe came from Big Bang (for my opinion). I guess it was formulated by Dr. Stephen Hawking or not because he also made the black hole theory.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Dec 24, 2012 6:51 PM #828078
Did you not read my post at all? I fucking hate this section some times. If you're going to try contributing to a debate, or announce your ignorance, read the whole fucking thread first. You might actually read the answer to your question or read an explanation for a point you may have.

In the link I provided, it explains why a scientific theory is generally regarded as true. In fact, the last line in the opening summary is:

Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[3] This is significantly different from the word "theory" in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative.


Just because it's labelled as a "theory" doesn't make it incomplete or less than what you would consider a fact.