How do you think the god like miracles faded away? I mean not little stuff like winning a game, but big stuff like creating a tsunami like jesus did.

I am pure agnostic and I talk about all kinds of religions, even athiesm(however the hell you spell it) so I am not making fun of anything.

Ive noticed ever since jesus died, nothing big happened except witnesses of his return.

Discuss

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How do you think the god like miracles faded away? I mean not little stuff like winning a game, but big stuff like creating a tsunami like jesus did.

I am pure agnostic and I talk about all kinds of religions, even athiesm(however the hell you spell it) so I am not making fun of anything.

Ive noticed ever since jesus died, nothing big happened except witnesses of his return.

Discuss

Golly, for an agnostic you sure sound like a believer, talking about things like it was a fact they happened. Atheism isn't a religion.

And miracles are supposed to still happen, there was some Christian conference in Florida recently that thousands of people got healed from various things supposedly. My mom was watching the people come up on stage and say they were healed from cancer or whatever.

It really depends on where you are looking, and who you are watching.

Where the **** did you pull the idea that Jesus made a Tsunami from? I mean for **** sake, that is a JAPANESE thing.

Also, Obvious troll is Obvious

It's a miracle that the human race hasn't ****ed itself over yet.

Well, lets find out. First, how do you define ''miracle''?

Ash: It's a heptagon then a square. =] *in your sig*

Anyways I don't believe in just like that miracles, I mean we don't have any evidence that it was God who made it happen.

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Ash: It's a heptagon then a square. =] *in your sig*

Anyways I don't believe in just like that miracles, I mean we don't have any evidence that it was God who made it happen.

You mean cube? =P And if you don't have any evidence that God made then you don't have any evidence that God didn't make it. Why do you always need proof?

I'll start debating when OP does what Ash said; How do you define "miracle"?

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I'll start debating when OP does what Ash said; How do you define "miracle"?

When a supernatural event happens that seems so unreal. Like corn grows rapid, or live stalk turns into dust.

I'm sure that a lot of stuff happens daily now that they would have thought of as supernatural and unreal two thousand years ago. Maybe it's not that less miracles happens, just that we can explain more of them now.

The big problem witht he idea of "miracles" is that too often a primative being attributes the unexpected to a higher being's will, just as Alive said.

Also, I think that the existance of a god can be called into question on this front, since it is obvious that the more primative will usually be more religious than the advanced beings, who consider scienctific explanations more readily, and as such may invent a higher being to explain the otherwise unexplainable.

EDIT: Because people here have a tendency to be complete idiots and make incorrect assumptions, I'll add a notation.

I DON'T MEAN THAT ALL RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE PRIMATIVE OR THAT ONLY THE PRIMATIVE ARE RELIGIOUS, AND SAYING THAT I AM IS THE PEAK OF IDIOCY.

When I say "The existance of a god", I mean the god whom is being used as an explanation for the miracle in question.

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Also, I think that the existance of a god can be called into question on this front, since it is obvious that the more primative will usually be more religious than the advanced beings, who consider scienctific explanations more readily, and as such may invent a higher being to explain the otherwise unexplainable.

Wow, Ash...

I think you should reread what you just wrote. That is some of the greatest bullshit you've ever said.

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Wow, Ash...

I think you should reread what you just wrote. That is some of the greatest bullshit you've ever said.

I agree with it. Back then, Primative people (Tribes, Egyptains, Indians, etc.) couldn't explain much, so they related it to stories of God's and Spirits.

Then what about the people who are religious now a days? Are they primitive? Is Ash superior to them because they believe something he doesn't?

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Also, I think that the existance of a god can be called into question on this front, since it is obvious that the more primative will usually be more religious than the advanced beings, who consider scienctific explanations more readily, and as such may invent a higher being to explain the otherwise unexplainable.

So basically what you're saying is religious people are nothing more than a bunch of inferior, unintelligent morons incapable of grasping simple concepts, huh?

I know you're going to oppose to this saying that's not how you said it and that you aren't really a conceited, elitist blowhard and will proceed to sugarcoat your post to sound like a much more positive thing to avoid incrimination, but maybe you could avoid that whole process and not try to subtly belittle other people's beliefs in the first place.

Read my post again, and you'll see that I said the primative are religious, not ONLY the primative are religious or that the religious are primative. In fact, I will add that to the post. I expected better from people, I expected for people to not make the assumption that I meant that all religious people are primative or anything of the sort.

Spazzy, I'm not trying to belittle anyone's beliefs, and you are being way too quick to make the assumption that I am. **** you for that. I don't get mad on the internet, I don't hold grudges on the internet, but this takes the ****ing cake. **** you.

I realize that I should have specified that I was talking about primative people in a primative time, in the time when the miracles the OP is talking about occured, or used the term "modern" rather than "advanced" but I didn't and I apolagize.

By your Tautology ("All A's are B, and so all B's are A's" logic), if I were to say "All coconuts are brown" it would be the same for me to say "All brown objects are coconuts".

I went into this thread hoping for a secular debate about the attribution of miracles to higher beings, hoping that other people would behave in the same secular matter, but no, you had to assume that I was trying to be anti-religious, you had to assume that I was trying to slyly belittle other's beliefs, and now you have done what noone has done in quite a while here: you frustrated my enough to actually post in anger.