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[19:17 pm] Sylor scarecrow
[19:17 pm] Scarecrow what
[19:18 pm] Sylor i completely agree with your how to give criticism section
[19:18 pm] Sylor the rest of it however, is somewhat elitist
[19:19 pm] Sylor apart from how ppl call crap great
[19:19 pm] Sylor that annoys me too
[19:19 pm] Sylor however they should not be completely torn apart and insulted because they are not as good as the thought they were
[19:19 pm] Scarecrow there's a difference between "being an elitist" and "not mollycoddling everyone"
[19:20 pm] Sylor execpt if they boast
[19:20 pm] Heartsriker sylor you don't seem to understand the difference between being blunt and stepping over said artwork
[19:20 pm] Sylor answer me this then heartstriker
[19:20 pm] Heartsriker If someone feels that a blunt critique makes them feel like they're beign torn apart and insulted
[19:20 pm] Sylor who decides art is good
[19:21 pm] Heartsriker they should just shut up and take it anyway
[19:21 pm] Sylor ^striker, answer
[19:21 pm] Heartsriker sylor for the sake of argument, let's say noone
[19:21 pm] Scarecrow "Then where do we draw the line between art and garbage?
[19:21 pm] Scarecrow This should be up to the artist. Seriously people, you should be able to tell whether or not you're posting crap. If you spent ten minutes on it, it probably isn't worth posting. If you didn't put any effort into it, it probably isn't worth posting. If you've never tried to draw before and you just picked up a crayon for the first time... it probably isn't worth posting. Practice, develop some skills before you go to the show off section. "
[19:22 pm] Sylor I understand, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder
[19:22 pm] Sylor that, is fact
[19:22 pm] Scarecrow also, "If it can't be criticized nor appreciated because it's actually that awful, it should not be posted in this section, nor anywhere else."
[19:22 pm] Scarecrow all of this is in my thread.
[19:23 pm] Sylor I'm sure it is, but is there a rule against it?
[19:23 pm] Ando free judgement free to post so ya
[19:23 pm] Sylor that's actually a question
[19:23 pm] Scarecrow there is a stickied thread telling you not to do it
[19:23 pm] Scarecrow aka mine
[19:23 pm] Sylor I see
[19:24 pm] Scarecrow so yes
[19:24 pm] Scarecrow there is a rule against it
[19:24 pm] Sylor well, I guess to an extent you are correct. At least on, this forum
[19:24 pm] Sylor art as a whole however, I do not agree.
[19:25 pm] Sylor can we agree to disagree?
[19:25 pm] Scarecrow no
[19:25 pm] Scarecrow you're just clinging to some semblance of "i'm still a little bit right though"
[19:25 pm] Scarecrow don't give me that bs
[19:25 pm] Sylor im not clinging to anything but the fact that im right in my premise
[19:26 pm] Sylor let me state it to be clear
[19:26 pm] Sylor you shouldnt be allowed to call someones art complete crap
[19:26 pm] Sylor you can say that you see it as crap
[19:27 pm] Sylor but someone else might see it as marvelous
[19:27 pm] Scarecrow refer to my above paragraph
[19:27 pm] Scarecrow it should be up to the artist
[19:27 pm] Scarecrow if there was actually effort put into it, you are right
[19:27 pm] Scarecrow it is art to the artist, and nobody can take that away
[19:28 pm] Sylor but crap to the community right
[19:28 pm] Scarecrow maybe.
[19:28 pm] Scarecrow but you see "modern art" where people splatter a bunch of paint on a canvas and stick it in a museum
[19:28 pm] Scarecrow that is bullshit.
[19:28 pm] Scarecrow that is not art.
[19:28 pm] Heartsriker ^
[19:28 pm] Sylor honestly yeah I have seen some crap in my day too
[19:28 pm] Scarecrow that is a bunch of paint splattered on a canvas.
[19:28 pm] Sylor I agree
[19:28 pm] Scarecrow the same principle applies elsewhere.
[19:28 pm] Sylor complete and utter bs
[19:29 pm] Sylor ok, I think were on the same page now
[19:29 pm] Scarecrow good great