So i've recently got into this long youtube argument of these "naruto" fails.
Now before you turn your eye, don't keep in mind that it's naruto, use your animation



I believe the animation was great, but people continue to say it was looney toons and funny animation and I tried to explain to them how it was accurate animation. The first fail they attempted to do speed, but made a road runner look, i see that as an actual fail. Second fail was a great punch, forceful and looked really great, jaw dropping IMO, it was accurate with how the face moves with such a powerful punch to the face, supported here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylqJDToHMh8. The third fail i don't see the fail, i guess since his head went backed and showed his teeth made it bad. Honestly i thought the air from the power was under his lips and eyelids making them wider. The fourth was flawless, i think it's because of the different art style that they were upset. With the fifth, i see why they find it cartoony, they really stepped away from the classic naruto style, but it was showing some force and really nice styled animation. And the last, i dunno, i guess since he looked kinda cutesy when his arms were in his sleeves and he was smashed into the ground, but i still found it nice. My jaw dropped when i watched this fight, the animation was great, i was in love with every moment, and they obviously hired a lot animators and put a lot of money and effort into this fight, but these guys don't seem to appreciate any of this, and demand a remake that won't happen.

Maybe i'm pulling it out of my ass, but I want some feedback from the community, what did you think about this?

Some comments:
"Honestly, as God is my Witness, That Episode of Naruto Shippuudden anime was the ALL TIME WORST, MOST HORRIBLE, DISGRACEFUL, INSANELY, INDESCRIBABLY ANNOYING piece of rubbish I'd ever seen, Just Saying.
It was like watching Loony Tunes and Popeye the Sailor Man combined. They should issue an apology to the fans and offer a remake."

"This is not a well-animated fight...I don't even know what this is. Here we have one of the most pivotal and epic showdowns of the series that has been well anticipated by everyone reading the manga. Two colossal forces of nature with different ideologies, goals and dreams but come from similar backgrounds, both fighting for the fate of the world. And what do we get? Heavily inconsistent and lazy animations that completely betray the tone of the source material and comes off as satire than drama"

" This is supposed to be the climax in a battle that is about the horrors of war! Its not supposed to make you laugh! It is looney tunes! They added complete looney tunes physics and made Pain survive things that should have killed him and ruined his character, made him run like the roadrunner and fucked up the story and the point of this battle! And all is justified just because of good animation!?? Nr. 1 is a ripoff of Tom&Jerry for fuck sake! Need any more reasons?"

#2 was probably the weirdest one. The rest are fine, considering the overall style.

Well, I like the style.

The style was done on purpose. It allowed them to focus on animation/fluidity more, rather than having detailed riggid frames. Although that second last one was a little too low quality. The style is supposed to reveal his madness/desperation.

The style isnt bad, it just didnt fit with the rest of the series. I can see why the did it, by distorting the body in ways that shouldnt happen it gives the illusion that they're running faster, hitting harder, and that everything is just more epic. But like I said, it doesn't fit, and with all the build up it felt like a slap to the face. But at the end of he day, its just naruto, people shouldnt feel that butt hurt.

I guess Naruto fans are used to static images with the only movement during fights being mouth movement.

It's called surreal animation i believe, it's done purposely.
The key instance where it's used is expressive and generally speedy scenes like so.
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=xerxrJu0fFM[/video]

They said it the scene was drawn in such different styles to express the intensity of the fight, and one art style wouldn't have "got the point across" they needed to show the severity,emotion, power ect
think about it, working with a team of animators,they all had different ideas on how the fight would turn out so they did it in such a way.
like Dante's inferno animated movie, if you've ever watched it you'll understand why its drawn in a range of styles, its to represent different stages of hell and its interpretations.

Yeah I get it, they don't. They simply think they were trying to be funny with the fight, they say its all looney toons animated, and they just don't grasp how much effort, and how amazing this fight is. The punch is still being called looney toons punch and said it isnt even remotely accurate. I showed them the video of a punch in slow motion to show how it was pretty accurate but they ignored it. Imma quit the argument because they don't get it.

they all looked pretty bad to me, but whatever floats your boat.

I couldnt agree more. The heads were shaped stupidly when trying to convey a fast movement in the animation

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I couldnt agree more. The heads were shaped stupidly when trying to convey a fast movement in the animation

That's how animation works.

The reason why the animation is so fluid is because a single person was hired to do the keyframes and the inbetweens (sakuga animators, thanks Rawgreen, haha), which normally isn't possible due to time-restraints and budget-restraints; if you notice for really important fights in that series they'll do that, like the original Sasuke vs Orochimaru in the orginal Naruto and the original Naruto vs Sasuke as well. Though one of the things you'll notice is that detail is sacrificed in order to do this.

Anyway, people will think what they think, there's not much you can do you know, it's really opinion-based. Even I'll admit some of the frames were comical and not very good in context but people are idiots and close-minded, derp

This is a style choice more than anything. It does resemble loony toons, and that's not a bad thing. Loony Toons was designed specifically for speed; it's easy to draw and allows you to animate quickly. The drawback is that it stretches the principles of animation to extremes in order to achieve the effect. Again, this isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's all down to style. People usually like Anime because it's "more realistic" (whatever that means in relation to a bunch of lines on paper), so when those people see Anime that's got a western twist to it they lose their shit because they're dumb fanboys.

I can't really say whether or not it's well animated, I didn't look at it too in depth because Naruto bugs the shit out of me even when I'm not thinking about it, but your argument seems to come more from how well they follow the principles of animation and demonstrate that they grasp the style rather than whether or not the style is bad, which is what those you are arguing with seem to say.

Those faces are used to transmit a speed sensation... but they overused it. That's all.

I see to much motion in the fast acts like Pain punching the ground super hard. Pain is supposedly an evil character that has no facial expression whatsoever, so i do agree with others that say it looks loony. Whether Western animators editing and made this or not, its not a real big concern that needs attention. Its for the sake of the show, and those poorly animated segments are like 10 seconds. I couldn't care less watching a shitty moment in an animated show. As long as i like it and dont obsess over it, im fine.

If Naruto has a reputation of being incredibly well animated, they're outdoing themselves for an incredibly long, dragging animation.