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Consider Flash CS6 to be the last flash you'll use. Adobe has went Cloud only.

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May 8, 2013 3:45 PM #968523
I guess one of the major reasons this is happening may have done this to make it alot harder for any of their products to become pirated, no one wants their expensive software pirated somehow, and I guess they thought it would be alot more beneficial for anyone who would pay for flash or anything else. Anyone who buys this will get a pretty good deal out of it, so the only people who have any nerve to complain are people who didn't pay....lets face it, they can't complain.
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May 8, 2013 3:56 PM #968527
I don't see how this effects any of you because not a single one of you have paid a cent to use the program and you know it.
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May 8, 2013 4:38 PM #968566
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It's only $19.99 a month for a single application. An annual contract of $49.99 a month gets you access to most of their programs, not just Flash. I'm not sure how Peter missed that.

Businesses and professionals are their target market, not 15 year old kids who animate stick figures. For what you get, that pricing is pretty damn fair, especially considering how expensive their stuff usually is.



Unless you paid for Flash, shut the fuck up.

Virtually all of you guys downloaded Flash illegally, so the collective reaction to this is going to amount to "baww, I can't steal their products anymore, this is so unfair!!!". What, the $500-700 professional animation suite you stole isn't good enough for you? Jesus fuck. Get over yourselves.


Oh, I understood it as you would have to subscribe to the whole package with no choice to not pay for programs you would possibly never use. It doesn't make a lot more sense when I think about it. Guess I didn't read the article quite carefully enough lol.
Reading it better I also noticed they wont be discontinuing the Creative Suite, they will just stop developing it further so it will be available for purchase for the forseeable future.
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May 8, 2013 4:54 PM #968576
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I thought everyone here used Flash 8 >_>

Everyone should try out Toon Boom by the way. It's like Flash on megaroids. Much better animating software IMO.


Whelp. Problem solved I guess lol
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May 8, 2013 5:01 PM #968579
Down with the bourgeois!!!!!!!
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May 8, 2013 5:14 PM #968590
I don't know if this was already answered, but what will happen for those who have earlier versions (CS3, CS4, CS5)? Will they be automatically upgraded, or something else will happen?
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May 8, 2013 5:28 PM #968603
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I thought everyone here used Flash 8 >_>

Everyone should try out Toon Boom by the way. It's like Flash on megaroids. Much better animating software IMO.


Toon boom is really complicated compared to flash. Most kids won't be able to use it like how they do with flash.
I'm moving to that program soon tho but haven't really studied everything about it.
And again I'm just pirating it, same as I did with flash.
So I'm not saying a thing about this post.
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May 8, 2013 5:33 PM #968605
If this is true...
..I'm screwed.
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May 8, 2013 5:52 PM #968611
I seriously wish that people would do their own research and inform themselves fully before making biased posts with sensationalist titles.

Quote from Peter Satera
Adobe have confirmed that they no longer support the CS range, and will no longer make updates to it.


This happens with every iteration of every Adobe product. They have a specific release cycle. Even years is a milestone release and odd years are mid-cycle release. So CS5 one year, CS5.5 the next, and CS6 the year after that. To say they wont support the Create Suite line like it's some awful bad thing is sort of ridiculous. When the next release in the product cycle comes out, they drop support for the last one. That's how it has always been, not supporting CS is completely natural.

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Meaning if you use ANY Adobe CS product and want new features, you will now have to pay a subscription fee to continue using it.


Yes, and it works out to be cheaper in the long run if you're going to pay for Adobe products. Most of the people here have never paid for a single Adobe product. Most of them purchased Macromedia Flash 8 if they didn't pirate it or a newer version of Flash. Those that did purchase an Adobe product to go the legit route probably paid a lot for it, a lot more than they would have through Creative Cloud. Some basic math verifies this.

With the Creative Cloud subscription you get nearly every Adobe product. This is essentially the same as the Master Collection they have offered previously. The Master Collection retails at $2,599.00. The subscription for CC is $49.99/mo, in a year that is $599.88. As I mentioned previously, Adobe releases milestone versions every even year, so every 2 years. Basically, you'd be paying $1,199.76 every two years for the latest version of almost all Adobe products, a full $1,399.24 cheaper than buying the master collection every two years. That's not even taking in to account the deals you can get as part of a work team, being a student, and other shit they offer as part of Creative Cloud.

It's not a bad thing at all, provided you're going legit. Like I said many people here don't ever pay for Adobe products and will likely end up pirating all this stuff anyway if they upgrade at all, so to them it doesn't matter. I think most people seem to think a subscription is worse than paying a lump sum once but they will find that in the long run it's going to be better for them.

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Adobe have decided that there will be no CS7 Products, and only licensing to use their software through the cloud.


The "Cloud" in this instance is used strangely. All the applications are set up the same way they have been: they get downloaded to your computer and run off the hard drive. There's no tricks here, it's just a different approach to DRM.

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This means when you want to use the product you will have to login online so your flash, premier or whatever will pick up how long you have until you pay the monthly rate again. If you fail to make payment the product will cease to open.


This is either completely false or severely misinformed. I can't decide which. Yes, when you first run your Adobe product it will check to verify you legally own it. This is not a new thing. Every Adobe product ever has done this. The difference this time around is that this check will happen once every 30 days. During this time, you do not need an internet connection to open your product. It's entirely offline. If you can't get online at the end of the 30 days, you can still use the product offline without verifying your account status for another 90 days.

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This is absolutely insulting as Flash Professional CC (creative cloud) out on June, has went native 64bit. All windows are modular so you can pull anything anywhere. Content is now native HD with the implementation of HTML5, so your animations could be insanely huge and have little lag. They also have an unlimited paste board, which remembers/libraries your copies. But nobody will be able to afford it, because they are asking a crazy £38.12 plus VAT (£44.24) /US $50 per month. Meaning a product which would be a one off payment is a constant dip into your pocket. They should be ashamed of themselves. Just one step closer to the death of Flash, because flash artists won't spend that kind of money just for a £400 program.


Again I fail to see how this is insulting or bad. See my earlier points. If you JUST want Flash they offer a cheaper package for single Adobe products as well. If you hurry now and legally own a CS product, you can get a discount off of CC meaning it's even cheaper.

Seriously this is the second time I've seen people get up in arms about this without actually fully understanding what they're talking about. They see like 2 or 3 key words and then jump to a conclusion, misinforming everyone around them as a consequence.

If you want to verify what I've just said, Adobe themselves on their own website links to this article explaining the top 5 myths about Creative Cloud. If anyone had done their own research on this instead of reading sensationalist news articles, taking what they said at face value, and then jumping on to the internet to complain about it, you'd probably realize that it's no big deal.

EDIT: After posting this I read the rest of the responses. I love that I can rely on good old Exilement to be the voice of reason in a cesspool of ignorance. Good on you.
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May 8, 2013 5:54 PM #968613
Some people just want to watch the world burn...

*cough* April 1st Prank *cough*
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May 8, 2013 6:30 PM #968621
Quote from Jeff
EDIT: After posting this I read the rest of the responses. I love that I can rely on good old Exilement to be the voice of reason in a cesspool of ignorance. Good on you.


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May 8, 2013 7:01 PM #968634
Quote from Exilement
It's only $19.99 a month for a single application. An annual contract of $49.99 a month gets you access to most of their programs, not just Flash. I'm not sure how Peter missed that.
Businesses and professionals are their target market, not 15 year old kids who animate stick figures. For what you get, that pricing is pretty damn fair, especially considering how expensive their stuff usually is.
Unless you paid for Flash, shut the fuck up.
Virtually all of you guys downloaded Flash illegally, so the collective reaction to this is going to amount to "baww, I can't steal their products anymore, this is so unfair!!!". What, the $500-700 professional animation suite you stole isn't good enough for you? Jesus fuck. Get over yourselves.


Like Jeff said, thank you. Good lord.

Quote from Shadowkirby
I don't know if this was already answered, but what will happen for those who have earlier versions (CS3, CS4, CS5)? Will they be automatically upgraded, or something else will happen?


Read the thread :/
This seems like a kick ass idea. I'm more than likely going to dump flash 8 and subscribe to this once I get the wheels moving on a job again lol.
If I can make a 3000+ frame animation without the lag, and have the option to use other adobe products to professionalize my work then I don't see how this is a bad thing at all.

Thanks for the wonderful news, Jeff :)
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May 8, 2013 11:03 PM #968753
How does this effect our "pirated- Flashes?" Are they going to sneak into our computers and disable the programs? :|
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May 8, 2013 11:42 PM #968765
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Did you even read the thread?
They aren't stopping, they are stopping development of the Creative Suite, replacing it with the Creative Cloud. The service sounds like it could potentially be cool, but the pricing is crazy.


The pricing for all those programs are always crazy, especially Flash 8. It costs like $600 or more.
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May 9, 2013 12:35 AM #968801
Wait I don't understand. Does this mean that starting in June we can't use our Flash CS6 unless you pay them monthly?
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