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Recharge time is 6s, stun time is 3s, and charge also stuns

Stun time is 5 seconds. Longest in the game. Don't use all your spears to sheild bash at once, shield bash one enemy at a time and gang up on it. While they are retreating, shield bash one so it cant get away.

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Stun time is 5 seconds. Longest in the game. Don't use all your spears to sheild bash at once, shield bash one enemy at a time and gang up on it. While they are retreating, shield bash one so it cant get away.

you mean like: If you have 2 walls of speartons (12 around), use at first your 1 wall (6 speartons), and then your second (6 speartons), right?

I have charge, which can also stun, making you unable to use sheild bash

They are both balanced gawd

anyway hasn't this been made about a billion times?
http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?61581-Order-vs-Chaos

so what happens when a jug charges at a spear in shield wall state, at the same time, as the jug is about to hit the spear, the spear use shield bash, who gets stunned? both?

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They are both balanced gawd

I beg to differ. Order is much stronger. Hence my arguments.

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They are both balanced gawd

anyway hasn't this been made about a billion times?
http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?61581-Order-vs-Chaos

That ones dead. Lets keep this alive. Happy? Not happy? Bump it then.

Quote from IHATETHISNAME

I beg to differ. Order is much stronger. Hence my arguments.

your gonna restart this thread over and over

Quote from stickman311

your gonna restart this thread over and over

Debate it.

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Debate it.

Their the same

Balance must be considered in both ways (Order vs Order/ Chaos vs Chaos and Order vs Chaos).
If we're to buff or nerf a unit, there are things must be taken into consideration.
Buff albow and they will be op in Order vs Order, but leave them there, they are underpowered in Order vs Chaos...Now solve that math on all units of both sides.

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Balance must be considered in both ways (Order vs Order/ Chaos vs Chaos and Order vs Chaos).
If we're to buff or nerf a unit, there are things must be taken into consideration.
Buff albow and they will be op in Order vs Order, but leave them there, they are underpowered in Order vs Chaos...Now solve that math on all units of both sides.

Deads and albowtross are underpowered in order vs chaos

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so what happens when a jug charges at a spear in shield wall state, at the same time, as the jug is about to hit the spear, the spear use shield bash, who gets stunned? both?

lol...thats really interesting.... when they are both stuned, speartons have there their advantage: more stun time

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Deads and albowtross are underpowered in order vs chaos

Uh...but deads still have some decent value, they're slow, sure. But they are a pain if ya cannot deal with them properly.
As for Albowtross, I rarely use them in anything.

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Uh...but deads still have some decent value, they're slow, sure. But they are a pain if ya cannot deal with them properly.
As for Albowtross, I rarely use them in anything.

Well, deads and albowtross have good armour, but, they aren't used cuz of one thing. Magikill