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Yeah, best two clans (Zenith and Team of Winners) well, Zenith has 1 or 2 HUNDRED members while Team of Winners has 25. Big difference.

Half the time when I ask a player when I'm playing SE to join Lords of Blue, they go like "Nah, I'm in Team Zenith".

We need to take a little active players off that clan, geez.

Quote from daltonwarrior

Yeah, best two clans (Zenith and Team of Winners) well, Zenith has 1 or 2 HUNDRED members while Team of Winners has 25. Big difference.

Half the time when I ask a player when I'm playing SE to join Lords of Blue, they go like "Nah, I'm in Team Zenith".

We need to take a little active players off that clan, geez.

Quote from daltonwarrior

Yeah, best two clans (Zenith and Team of Winners) well, Zenith has 1 or 2 HUNDRED members while Team of Winners has 25. Big difference.

Half the time when I ask a player when I'm playing SE to join Lords of Blue, they go like "Nah, I'm in Team Zenith".

We need to take a little active players off that clan, geez.

Quote from That Other Guy

So basically the only way clans can be effective, fun, and fair is to make some clans equal in skill and have active players. For example; when my cousin did the clan era plan, 4-5 clans were made, and only one of them became a top-tiered clan at the time (The Frozen Knights). The only reason FK lasted longer than the rest was because they were able to get some of the better more loyal players.

Quote from IHATETHISNAME

Not even close. Zenith has less than 20 members. ToW has 10 or so members.




That is not necessarily true. FK survived because it was organized and active. Fr0st was also a damn good leader. The skill of a clan doesn't determine how long it survives. The dedication of the members and the leaders as well as their activeness determines the strength of the clan. Another thing, while TZ is the largest clan ToW and FN are growing at a good pace. Soon they will be as large as zenith.

Quote from IHATETHISNAME

Not even close. Zenith has less than 20 members. ToW has 10 or so members.




That is not necessarily true. FK survived because it was organized and active. Fr0st was also a damn good leader. The skill of a clan doesn't determine how long it survives. The dedication of the members and the leaders as well as their activeness determines the strength of the clan. Another thing, while TZ is the largest clan ToW and FN are growing at a good pace. Soon they will be as large as zenith.

Quote from isgood

What.

TZ has almost 20 people in the MEMBER RANK and almost 30 for the whole clan. Just look at member list. Just because some people haven't come on in a week doesn't mean they're not members....

Quote from That Other Guy

Yeah that's what I ment, it had active players and good players, which are key to clan survival, and of course Frost was and probably is still a great leader.

And that's the problem, we can't just have Tow and FN become as large as Zenith, otherwise the number of players per clan would again be overwhelming only it would be 3 times as hard to even things out. It's best to stop an infection early before it gets worse.

Maxchiang, that's the issue we need some members, not too many so TZ becomes weak, but it's one of the only ways to make clans smaller.

Funnyfingerz, TZ may have worked very hard and I respect them for achieving such great success, but there is a thing called having too much, and/or overachieving. And yes a lot of the top players don't care for clans, so that may be somewhere else to start, by convincing those members to get interested in clans.

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From what I've noticed over my short amount of time on here, Zenith is way too dominant and the only reason that most clans aren't surviving is because a majority of the most active and loyal players are lurking in Zenith. So I full-heartedly agree on your statement, and I strongly believe that if we can split some of the top tiered players away from Zenith and into other clans, then clans would be more enjoyable.

Going by what my cousin experienced in Territory War clans, most of the clans had top-tiered players and active ones too; they have all of their active and good players split off in clans, which is why those clans thrive.

The only struggle clans will experience is getting through the starting stages, and then staying alive is usually easy once you have enough. If you can somehow get some good and active players from Zenith into your clan, it will last longer than those who aren't considered to be in the active and/or good group.

So basically the only way clans can be effective, fun, and fair is to make some clans equal in skill and have active players. For example; when my cousin did the clan era plan, 4-5 clans were made, and only one of them became a top-tiered clan at the time (The Frozen Knights). The only reason FK lasted longer than the rest was because they were able to get some of the better more loyal players.

So if your clan doesn't survive, it's not entirely because of you, but it's because you're not getting the right people in the clan.

I basically just told you how clans can thrive best, but it's up to the good and active people, whether in Zenith or not, to decide and believe that they can improve your clan or any other new clan. Those people need to stop cuddling in the safety zone and spread out otherwise there's no purpose in having clans if a majority of the people are on the same side.

I don't exactly mean Zenith should just split up, but I think some people in that clan need to stop bowing down to them and try to give other clans a fighting chance against it.

Quote from Galeforce

If Zenith splits, we die. It's that simple. SoS tried it and failed. We will not make the same mistake.

Zenith also has roughly 20 members, by the way.

Quote from That Other Guy

SOS was actually doing well until Daemonic ditched SOS and took all the members he recruited with him, but before that happened, SOS was still going strong.

Then if there's roughly 20 members, then we should consider possibly making a rule where we limit the number of players in a clan, say have the maximum be 25 I suppose.

Quote from That Other Guy

SOS was actually doing well until Daemonic ditched SOS and took all the members he recruited with him, but before that happened, SOS was still going strong.

Then if there's roughly 20 members, then we should consider possibly making a rule where we limit the number of players in a clan, say have the maximum be 25 I suppose.

Quote from That Other Guy

SOS was actually doing well until Daemonic ditched SOS and took all the members he recruited with him, but before that happened, SOS was still going strong.

Then if there's roughly 20 members, then we should consider possibly making a rule where we limit the number of players in a clan, say have the maximum be 25 I suppose.

Quote from _Ai_

Besides, Zenith just got a big injury.