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You don't need archers OR walls. Spamming swords and efficiently microing and splitting when necessary is sufficient.

Yes, but that is when you can micro. This is when you can't.

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Yes, but that is when you can micro. This is when you can't.

It doesn't require a whole ton of micro to split and retreat swords.

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It doesn't require a whole ton of micro to split and retreat swords.

Maybe for you...but there are also other players who are not like you...( I wont post any names here)

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Yay. Another comparion thread. Like a ton of other thread. Mind moving your discussion there?
1. Lower training time to 10 secs for crawlers. Agree.
3. Dafuq you talking about? Juggs got stun! AND CAN CHASE UNITS! -_- Anyway, juggs do have more damage than spears, you do know that? And jugg beat spear 1 vs 1. So invalid.
4. -_- Archer is fragile as fu. And with sucky micro for ONE TIME, bye bye my 300 gold unit~ (;-;) So no. For deads, maybe a small buff in range, but that's it.
5. You do realize the damn wings can hit and run AND heals over time. They're fast and cheaper. No discussions! If there's an ability, I'd say poison arrow (a counterpart to Fire Arrow): Same range, but poisons the enemy (One use)
6. Lower recharge time? Really? Anyway, Medusa can insta-kill, therefore, sending magikill to the grave before he can cast one. Besides, she got Venom Spray, one that can poison all the melee uints if Order isn't careful.
7. Seriously? Marrow is powerful (With his Reaper and buffed (Still slightly useless) Hell's Fist). And also, they serve different roles. So no.
8. Same HP? Chaos Giant has more HP tham Order's.
9. Now that is just bullshit. No, I say!

That's all.

2.yeah ik im not saying juggs and speatons should be differnt there balanced it anything lower jugg a bit 2 even out in a tie

3.i MUST disagree archer may be weak but they have a decent amount of damage train time speed and over a lot better than deads when it comes 2 price

5.yeah the ecliser and albatross i got 2 say ecliser is probably better a lot until you get blazing bolts then HUGE difference so i don't wanna say make them almost completely equal like juggs and speartons but...idk i guess its ok considering blazing bolts makes them WAY stronger

6.yeah but u gatta admit that's all shes really good for is instant kill because u don't really need venom flux if u got some deads with poison guys u know? and not much more of a cool down just maybe just 3-7 sec something in between

7.yeah marrowkai and meric didn't know how to compare mush as different roles i guess there equal.

8.really? i didn't notice chaos has more hp but even so he DOES HAVE TO MELEE so still sorta equal.

9.yyyeeeaaahhhh miners that was just ideas to be creative lol idk

fuck i wasn't supposed 2 reply in this account i like keeping more than 1 2 see how people treat me and the different sides of stories u know get in there heads and learn stuff from experiance

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STOP. THIS HAS BEEN DONE 10^5 TIMES.

true but come on man freedom of speech plus it hasn't exactly been resolved. :( >:(

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To be quite honest both races are fairly balanced as-is. However, I would hope that castle is removed from the list of maps. Its far too small, order will win vs chaos if they swordspam. Chaos and Order are both balanced, its just the map that is the problem. :D

yeah they are pretty balanced out in there own ways but still.. i think there's a small nerf needed to order OR a small buff for chaos AND DAMN U GUYS REPLY FAST!!!!!!!!!!!