I get the feeling if treyvon had in fact still been alive from the shot somehow and able to speak, this case would have taken a totally different direction.

I understand that Treyvon was on top of Zimmerman and he took a gun and shot him over self-defense. But If Zimmerman would have listened to the Police Station that told him NOT to follow Treyvon around, nothing would have happened.

What I believed happened is that Zimmerman saw an african-american walking in a hood that he thought was suspicious. He tells the station about it and so they tell him to back off, but he didnt listen. He goes outside to Profile Treyvon and Treyvon refuses. Zimmerman keeps bothering Treyvon so he punches Zimmerman.

Then the whole thing began.

thats What I believe happened.

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I understand that Treyvon was on top of Zimmerman and he took a gun and shot him over self-defense. But If Zimmerman would have listened to the Police Station that told him NOT to follow Treyvon around, nothing would have happened.

What I believed happened is that Zimmerman saw an african-american walking in a hood that he thought was suspicious. He tells the station about it and so they tell him to back off, but he didnt listen. He goes outside to Profile Treyvon and Treyvon refuses. Zimmerman keeps bothering Treyvon so he punches Zimmerman.

Then the whole thing began.

thats What I believe happened.

Did you watch the video?

1. We can go back and say "he should have done that, he could have done this" but it is entirely arbitrary and can be said about anything. What if Trayvon was actually planning to robbing that house? If he would not have followed him other people may have been killed.
2. The dispatcher doesn't give orders only suggestions. This means what he suggested has no legal binding.
3. If you did in fact watch the video, you obviously didn't pay attention when he talked about Zimmerman's history. He was raised in a multicultural family, and tutored children of mixed ethnicities, just to name a few things which point to him not being racist.

If Zimmerman's testimony is the truth(which the evidence seems to support), he had all the right to defend himself. He could have handled this better sure, but you can nearly say that about anything, blaming him for making a rash decision in a very panicked state is unfair to say the least, ask yourself, what would you have done?

I'm not buying into this whole thing that Trayvon jumped him. Zimmerman even admitted that he was following the kid, and it's pretty hard to get jumped if you are following someone unless you're stupid enough to lose sight of the person you are following. I believe the injuries Zimmerman sustained could have been from from Trayvon, but it was Zimmerman who started it. I think Zimmerman went up to him and harassed him of some sort or at least grabbed him without explaining why he was following him. His reason for believing Trayvon was doing something suspicious was weak also. He said he was walking outside looking at all the houses. That's not really suspicious in my opinion. Also, the 911 audio recording sounding like a young adult screaming for help, not a grown man. http://www.randirhodes.com/pages/rrnews.html?article=9924394 And another thing is that even if it was in self-defense, Trayvon was unarmed and significantly smaller than Zimmerman. What are the chances of a kid overpowering and adult? I don't think there was a need for him to kill him for self-defense. His comment that "these assholes always get away" also questions his motive for following him in the first place.

Did you not watch the video on the last page? It shits down every single one of your points.

The media is trying to make trayvon look like an innocent kid but when reality he wasn't. He's seventeen, a troubled kid, he got kicked out of school for fighting, he played football and studied mixed martial arts, and he messed up his brain and liver from drugs. Trayvon was also trying to purchase a gun before this incident happened.

There had been multiple breakins and robberies in zimmermans neighborhood, which explains why he had reason to suspect trayvon of scouting for a place to rob. He also carried a gun on him because if pit bull attacks in the neighborhood. Zimmerman regardless of how unorthodox his actions may have seemed and even if they did instigate something he broke no laws.

Come on did you even research anything or did you just believe what the media told you?

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He said he was walking outside looking at all the houses.

that, along with a ton of other details that, collectively, are grounds for reasonable suspicion.

you're taking a single detail out of context and saying "well that's not suspicious". what about all of the other stuff you left out?

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Did you not watch the video on the last page? It shits down every single one of your points.

No, I just noticed it and I'll watch it later.

The media is trying to make trayvon look like an innocent kid but when reality he wasn't. He's seventeen, a troubled kid, he got kicked out of school for fighting, he played football and studied mixed martial arts, and he messed up his brain and liver from drugs. Trayvon was also trying to purchase a gun before this incident happened.

I'm not trying to say he was a innocent saint or anything but at that particular night, I don't think he was at fault. Also, his past history has very little relevance to what happened that night.

There had been multiple breakins and robberies in zimmermans neighborhood, which explains why he had reason to suspect trayvon of scouting for a place to rob. He also carried a gun on him because if pit bull attacks in the neighborhood. Zimmerman regardless of how unorthodox his actions may have seemed and even if they did instigate something he broke no laws.

The point is that he's just a neighborhood watch with no legal authority. He wasn't a cop. The only thing he should have done was call the police and that's it. It's equivalent to a regular citizen calling in something suspicious. Neighborhood watches are not vigilante organizations. When suspecting criminal activities, members are encouraged to contact authorities and not to intervene.

Come on did you even research anything or did you just believe what the media told you?

I didn't even listen to the media. I just heard the news and what both the prosecution and the lawyers arguments were and made my decision based on those. The link of the 911 audio also helped me decide what mostly happened that night.

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that, along with a ton of other details that, collectively, are grounds for reasonable suspicion.

you're taking a single detail out of context and saying "well that's not suspicious". what about all of the other stuff you left out?

Really? I may have not said it word for word, but that's basically his reasoning for his suspicion. If you can show me other details, I will reconsider.

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http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?74281-Should-Zimmerman-be-guilty&p=1037101&viewfull=1#post1037101

Those suspicions are unrelated to what happened the night he killed Trayvon.

I'm sorry but how dull are you? He posted justifications for zimmermans actions because the media tried painting him as a wannabe cop. Why don't you take the time to review the thread and post something constructive.

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I'm sorry but how dull are you? He posted justifications for zimmermans actions because the media tried painting him as a wannabe cop. Why don't you take the time to review the thread and post something constructive.

We are talking about Zimmerman's justification for being suspicious, not him being "wannabe cop."

Yeah that was my point. Exilements whole post was justification yet you shot it down.

I think that, personally, if trayvon was alive then Zimmerman would not be in as much heat.

To counter that, I think it wouldn't have mattered anyways simply because Trayvon is of a darker skin color. Oh yes, what we all think but cannot say. If it was ever a black man vs a white man in court for a violent offense, the black man would win because of hate crimes. Excuse me if I sound horribly racist, but they already tried to pin him with racism because he was alittle pale (even though he has latin roots, coming from his mother). In all reality, if my neighborhood had been robbed afew times and there was a young, 17 year old kid that looked alittle rough, I wouldn't be surprised if I saw him in cuffs the next morning for breaking into my neighbors house.

Lets take race out of the situation, as I believe it is ridiculous to say profiling was apart of this simply because of Zimmerman's backround. (I did not see the video since I am not at a wifi and I am running off of a phone mobile hotspot.) I don't believe Trayvon would threat Zimmerman, but I do think that he instigated the fight.

Okay, so your a 17 year old kid, walking down the streets with your hood up on a rainy day with some skittles and iced tea. All of a sudden, some guy starts to follow you. (also, another factor in this could have been racial profiling from Trayvon, thinking that since he looked like a white man that he would come and hurt him because he was black and/or saw he was latin looking and thought he was going to jump him. Like I said, taking race out of the situation, lets continue.) You could do 1 of two things;

a) Stop and say "Hey man, why are you following me?"
b) Turn around and say "Stop following me!"
c) Turn around and tell him to go ram it where the sun don't shine.
d) Turn around, suspecting he was going to jump you and get the drop on him with a punch to the face and then get atop of him and shove him to the concrete with the intent to severely wound, if not kill. (Now, I realize that if you know self defense or even feel threatened you punch, kick, and scream like hell and think of the consequences later.)

Now, let's look at Zimmerman.

Alright, so you're an adult who conceal carries a handgun, driving your car home or to some other random thing that you enjoy/have to do. You are passing by and you see a paticularly thuggish boy. As a citizen you call the police, as you have had recent break ins and pitbull problems and you want to make sure everything is alright. Telling you to stay in your car and politely ram a rod up your ass you find the police will be of no help you have afew choices;

a) Forget it, and go on and wait for the kid to show up in the news (in your ever right judgement) and chill out.
b) Call the police again, and explain the true urgency of the situation.
c) Get out and follow the kid

Going with c for the sake of the situation, you get out while concealing a firearm (now lets talk about this, shall we? It's wrong to tail the kid in the first place, however I know that Zimmerman expected a confrontation, whether it be verbal or physical. When he stepped out of the car with that firearm, he knew it would complicate things for him. I mean, you buy a gun to protect yourself, thats why you conceal carry. However, it is a completely different thing to step out of the car with the intent and anticipation for a fight with a firearm. Now, he probably didn't intend on shootin the kid but that doesn't make him any less guilty. Think of it like this: Trayvon would have been a hero and a saint by the media if he had lived and killed Zimmerman like he had intended to. Anyways, ROLL THE TAPE!) and start to tail the kid. After alittle while, he flips the hell out and starts to violently attack you. You reach for your gun and pull the trigger.

Both are in the wrong with odd responses to the situation, however I believe Zimmerman has already taken his lumps by being de-jobbed and out a million dollars not to mention shunned by society. Personally, you are supposed to defend yourself when under attack, but it is a totally different situation when you instigate and start the fight.

I side with Zimmerman, as he thought he was in the right, no matter how wrong he really was. I see no reason to continue to punish this man for what he has done.

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Yeah that was my point. Exilements whole post was justification yet you shot it down.

And I'm saying that I disagree because those justifications for being suspicious, 9 thefts, 8 burglaries. That house that got robbed by the person peeking in the windows, had nothing to do with trayvon on that particular night of the shooting. It's completely irrelevant.

So what you're saying is with everything going on in the neighborhood you still don't think Zimmerman's suspicions are justified? He didn't know who Trayvon was, he didn't know what his intentions were, and he didn't break any laws. We can say that nothing would have happened if Zimmerman didn't act just as easily as we can say that if he didn't act another house could have been robbed.

I'm sorry but review the information in the thread and come up with a serious retort and back up your claims with some solid proof or opinions or gtfo of this section :/