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Or dont let the school sell condoms. Our school just taught us what HIV is, and it includes sexual words and shit .-.

Ohh how terrible of them to teach you about safe sex, they should be preaching how doing it before marriage curses you to hell and makes your dick swell and how condoms are satanic tools of evil

Ohh wait a second, that doesn't seem to work very well, could it be possible that talking about healthy sex like it wasn't something so taboo would work better? Could it be that educating teenagers how you can safely have sex, without telling them lies to scare them away from it, would be a more effective technique?

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MatrixNinja2000;1047626']Not to mention the problems that come with raising a small child as a teen/preteen.

Yeah. How do you expect a 10 year-old to take care of a baby? They can't do shit because they are too young to actually take responsibility within their lives.

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Yeah. How do you expect a 10 year-old to take care of a baby? They can't do shit because they are too young to actually take responsibility within their lives.

To be fair, many older parents have proven to be just as incapable if not worse at taking care of an infant.

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Ohh how terrible of them to teach you about safe sex, they should be preaching how doing it before marriage curses you to hell and makes your dick swell and how condoms are satanic tools of evil... without telling them lies to scare them away from it,?

If you are referring to religion I must tell you that does not really happen. Not that way anyway. I don't think any religion "teaches" this. Especially not Christianity which is what your references that I put in bold make it sound like.

Other than that I agree with the post.

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To be fair, many older parents have proven to be just as incapable if not worse at taking care of an infant.

Yeah, sadly this is true. But, a grown adult has much more probability of being a good parent than a preteen.

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To be fair, many older parents have proven to be just as incapable if not worse at taking care of an infant.

My family has alot of history of being incapable parents so I know what he's saying is true.

And there are some teenage parents that DO end up being good parents. It all depends on a lot of things.

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MatrixNinja2000;1047991']If you are referring to religion I must tell you that does not really happen. Not that way anyway. I don't think any religion "teaches" this. Especially not Christianity which is what your references that I put in bold make it sound like.

Other than that I agree with the post.

The catholic church condemned condoms until the year 2010, that's well over a billion people clinging on to the false claim that HIV can be distributed through a condom. They only dropped this 3 years ago, and they are still enforcing monogamy and threatening eternal punishment in hell if they do something wrong. Just because it is not a problem for you in particular doesn't mean that sexual education is top-notch all around the world. Religion still has way to strong of a hold in schools and governments to believe that it is not a problem.

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The catholic church condemned condoms until the year 2010, that's well over a billion people clinging on to the false claim that HIV can be distributed through a condom. They only dropped this 3 years ago, and they are still enforcing monogamy and threatening eternal punishment in hell if they do something wrong. Just because it is not a problem for you in particular doesn't mean that sexual education is top-notch all around the world. Religion still has way to strong of a hold in schools and governments to believe that it is not a problem.

That's an odd viewpoint. Marriage isn't wrong and condoms can break. Catholics also have a weird viewpoint on condoms, not liking them but, somehow supporting them and it's been like that but, more strongly post-2010. Yes, I know that sex ed is currently crappy, I didn't say it wasn't and sex ed isn't really top notch for me. Either way, the previous post wasn't really accurate on religion because, condoms are not thought of satanic tools of evil and marriage does not curse you anywhere. Christianity and pretty much all other religions support marriage and see it as union between people and continuation of life.

Still, sex ed sucks right now and kids need to learn their stuff and know what goes on.

It isn't just sex ed, the duty of teaching children about the given topic also slightly falls on the responsibility of parents.

Also, condoms can break, but they're also one if not the most reliable way of avoiding STDs and pregnancy with sex that people have easy access to.

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MatrixNinja2000;1048038']That's an odd viewpoint. Marriage isn't wrong and condoms can break. Catholics also have a weird viewpoint on condoms, not liking them but, somehow supporting them and it's been like that but, more strongly post-2010. Yes, I know that sex ed is currently crappy, I didn't say it wasn't and sex ed isn't really top notch for me. Either way, the previous post wasn't really accurate on religion because, condoms are not thought of satanic tools of evil and marriage does not curse you anywhere. Christianity and pretty much all other religions support marriage and see it as union between people and continuation of life.

Still, sex ed sucks right now and kids need to learn their stuff and know what goes on.

I never said marriage was wrong, I was saying telling kids that they go to hell for having sex before marriage/with more then 1 individual they go to hell is(if this isn't something you buy into you can't really call yourself christian without admitting you're a hypocrite). Obviously condoms can brake, the officials of the catholic church stated that FULLY FUNCTIONAL condoms did not stop HIV. That is a lie.
I was purposely(and I do hope obviously) exaggerating. No sane individual would actually believe that this is what happens in every classroom, I was trying to point out that religion is too often pushed into sex-ed with dire results.

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I never said marriage was wrong, I was saying telling kids that they go to hell for having sex before marriage/with more then 1 individual they go to hell is(if this isn't something you buy into you can't really call yourself christian without admitting you're a hypocrite). Obviously condoms can brake, the officials of the catholic church stated that FULLY FUNCTIONAL condoms did not stop HIV. That is a lie.
I was purposely(and I do hope obviously) exaggerating. No sane individual would actually believe that this is what happens in every classroom, I was trying to point out that religion is too often pushed into sex-ed with dire results.

I see. Anyway, It's not like you are doomed to eternal punishment because you "screwed up" once (pun intended). They have repentance and salvation through Christ and whatnot. Anyway, what Raptor said is also true. Children must be taught that early sex (possibly leading to early pregnancy and diseases, etc.) isn't really favorable. It's better to just wait a little bit until you are a grown human being. It also takes away a lot of the fun, since you're just children, anyway. :I

Sex Ed is basically the study of reproduction.
It's meant to teach the children how they can grow a family when they get older.
However, nowadays sex seems to be used for pleasure, not entirely the joy of having children.

Is there anywhere where kids *aren't* taught that sex as an early teen isn't a very good idea? In programs that aren't fully abstinence based (like the one I went through) they still teach that.
Obviously this whole question is conditional on them being taught anything at all about sex which I'm sure doesn't happen in some places.

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However, nowadays sex seems to be used for pleasure, not entirely the joy of having children.

It's been mostly about pleasure since we were living in caves.

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Is there anywhere where kids *aren't* taught that sex as an early teen isn't a very good idea? In programs that aren't fully abstinence based (like the one I went through) they still teach that.
Obviously this whole question is conditional on them being taught anything at all about sex which I'm sure doesn't happen in some places.


It's been mostly about pleasure since we were living in caves.

Well, sort of. It needs to be a clear message and it needs to stick. Abstinence-only programs are crap as well, they might even cause early sex.

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Sex Ed is basically the study of reproduction.
It's meant to teach the children how they can grow a family when they get older.
However, nowadays sex seems to be used for pleasure, not entirely the joy of having children.

We are biologically programmed to like sex. Unless you are asexual you will probably have most of your sex for pleasure, not babies.

As soon as you start trying to control how kids live, they will start fighting you. In my opinion kids are getting sexually active younger and younger because they keep getting told more and more how bad it is.

I'd like to mention that the the first post, which is talking about "controlling kids", is exactly the attitude that causes kids to do these things to start with. Parents should never try to control their kids, governments should never get involved with controlling kids, and religions and schools should never get involved with controlling kids (Sex Ed is fine as long as it isn't preaching abstinence).

Every parent is doing it wrong. They are doing what their parents did to them, which is wrong. They're piling empty second-hand knowledge onto their kids and trying to steer them according to their life experiences, instead of letting the kids make their own life experiences.

Humans learn from experience. Second-hand knowledge, rules, values, are nothing but a burden to be rebelled against. What's the psychology here? I would suggest a genuine curiosity. "Is [suppressed thing] really as bad as they say it is?" So they try it. "That wasn't bad at all! In fact, I kind of liked it. Why would they lie to me? Have they even tried it themselves?" And so the trust is already broken beyond repair, whoever has told them this thing is bad or wrong is suddenly perceived as ignorant, and a distaste for authority has begun.

You raise kids by letting them do as they please, and only providing guidance and advice where necessary, and wisdom when asked for. Making mistakes is not a problem, that's where experience comes from. If left to learn things themselves, they will make mistakes, learn from them, and never make that mistake again.

That way, they'll ultimately grow naturally and healthily into an intelligent and perceptive human being, instead of becoming an obedient mindless robot or a delinquent aggressive rebel.

Now, sex is very much associated with being "naughty" or taboo.

The fact that parents, schools, religions, the media, etc. keep going on about how wrong it is to have sex at a young age is basically only going to make it sound more appealing. Especially at that young age when the kids are starting to feel the need to rebel against something... taboos regarding sex have basically made it into a very obvious choice. Other obvious choices include alcohol, smoking, and various drugs, all of which I have observed becoming prevalent at younger and younger ages.

tl;dr "controlling kids" is a fucking stupid idea and only achieves the opposite of what is intended