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In discussions like this when people say "Creationism" in opposition to evolution they usually mean Young-Earth Creationism, which is virtually defined by the fact that it rejects evolution. Many scientifically literate creationists hold a belief similar to the idea that God just created the first single-celled organism and let it go from there, or just that he purposely put the right chemicals in the primordial soup so that they would form into the first organism. That's what you're talking about, right?

Yeah pretty much or you can go even further and say that God created all the laws in the universe.

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The point of my post wasn't that he causes bad things to happen, I'm saying bad things shouldn't exist in the first place if he really was someone who gave two shits about us. If he is omnipotent, omniscient and good, evil would not exist in the first place.

He is omnipotent and omniscient.
Why do bad things exist then?
God gave humans an amount of freedom. Basically he did not "decide" that you are going to do the following thing and make you do it. You do whatever you want that is within the laws of the universe. However bad things happen because you bring them upon yourself. There has to be balance.

Explain to me how we are capable of defying him if he is all powerful, how he is good if he makes newborn children suffer because some ancient ancestor ate a forbidden fruit centuries ago.
If he is both omnipotent and omniscient, he is cruel, jealous and wicket, definitively not good.

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George Carlin expresses my opinion pretty well.

The problem I have with the Judeo-Christian God is: why would he create us, and create sin (or, technically, sin is the "absence of God"), and then provide the cure for the sin? It's like the storyline of a "hero" creating a problem so he can turn around and fix it and appear to be heroic.

The other problem I have is that literally every religion out there is so certain that their set of beliefs is the right one; that Allah is the one true God, that the Judeo-Christian is the one true God, that the God of Mormonism is the one true God, that, whatever the hell Scientology believes is...true, etc etc. Science seems to be the only thing that can be believed with factual, empirical evidence.

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Explain to me how we are capable of defying him if he is all powerful, how he is good if he makes newborn children suffer because some ancient ancestor ate a forbidden fruit centuries ago.
If he is both omnipotent and omniscient, he is cruel, jealous and wicket, definitively not good.

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George Carlin expresses my opinion pretty well.

The ancient ancestor lived in heaven.
He worshiped god without question, but made a mistake. This caused god to send him to live on Earth, not for him or his offspring to suffer, but to test them. Like I said everyone is free. God doesn't really control us much.

Now as for the George Carlin video. I can see lots of mistakes here. God doesn't love everyone. God wouldn't love a murderer. He wouldn't love a rapist. However, he does forgive. And I don't really get the money part. I don't recall anything in religion where I have to give god money.
And once again disease, war, and all this shit are brought on by humans. I have to say that there are innocent victims of this, but in religion these usually get there payback later in life or after death in the end of time. Basically when this final day comes, everyone who had a right taken away takes it back from whoever has done this to them; everyone is made equal. And if it is something like disease that has caused you long suffering that you had waited on and been patient until you died, you go to heaven.
Now this is what my religion states, maybe in a different context, but same ideals nevertheless.
I don't know much about Christianity or Judaism.

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God doesn't love everyone. God wouldn't love a murderer. He wouldn't love a rapist. However, he does forgive.

So that means he's not omnibenevolent.

And I don't really get the money part. I don't recall anything in religion where I have to give god money.

While in Church you'll have to donate a dollar or two.

Can we keep the debate focused on creationism and evolution? Ahmad completely ignored my post to respond to the ones that aren't even related to the topic.

The only problem is that we don't know which religion is the right one.
Who knows, maybe the Jews get to go to Heaven instead of the Christians. But the thing is, we don't know, and we never will know.

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God wouldn't love a murderer. He wouldn't love a rapist.

Actually, God still love them, the only thing he hates is how that guy acts negatively daily. God knows the true him (eg rapist). Not being an angry christian here.

Guys, I was serious.

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Can we keep the debate focused on creationism and evolution? Ahmad completely ignored my post to respond to the ones that aren't even related to the topic.

Sorry, I got carried away.

Even so, religion just seems to get a little silly sometimes, and the evolution theory makes a lot of sense, but people don't believe it. I myself believe that evolution exists, but creation seems illogical and there's no meaning of it. One cannot simply 'create' a new species. If God did do that, then couldn't he just 'create' more humans? Although I do believe in God, I still believe in the evolution theory.

Humans have created new species.

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Humans have created new species.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing lol

What I meant was that you can't just create something with just the snap of your fingers. Any man cannot have that kind of power.
Which questions me, was God human like us? Or was he just there?
And if he was a human, could we gain the same power God has?

Quote from Ahmad

The ancient ancestor lived in heaven.
He worshiped god without question, but made a mistake. This caused god to send him to live on Earth, not for him or his offspring to suffer, but to test them. Like I said everyone is free. God doesn't really control us much.

Now as for the George Carlin video. I can see lots of mistakes here. God doesn't love everyone. God wouldn't love a murderer. He wouldn't love a rapist. However, he does forgive. And I don't really get the money part. I don't recall anything in religion where I have to give god money.
And once again disease, war, and all this shit are brought on by humans. I have to say that there are innocent victims of this, but in religion these usually get there payback later in life or after death in the end of time. Basically when this final day comes, everyone who had a right taken away takes it back from whoever has done this to them; everyone is made equal. And if it is something like disease that has caused you long suffering that you had waited on and been patient until you died, you go to heaven.
Now this is what my religion states, maybe in a different context, but same ideals nevertheless.
I don't know much about Christianity or Judaism.

This is more-so right but, God does love everyone. He might not like what you do but, He loves everyone. And, yes, we are not puppets on strings. God gave us free will and help. Plenty of help. The fact that humanity continually screwed up is our fault and we must fix it. Now, back to the dicusssion.

I agree with Fusion here. I believe in God and that He created life but, evolution seems like a logical concept and theory. What could have happened was what our bro Fusion said. That God created the first living thing with His whatever-He-used and allowed it to flourish and evolve. Same with the whole Big Bang thing. You say there was an explosion that made the Universe. Ok. Can you tell me what caused it? I believe that if there was a Big Bang then, God must have caused it.

@Ahmad. Humans didn't live in Heaven. They were made on Earth, specifically Eden, according to Genesis (primarily). He made the humans at the time leave Eden because, they messed up in Eden. He wanted to steer them away from there.

The text in Bold is spot-on.

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Yeah I was thinking the same thing lol

What I meant was that you can't just create something with just the snap of your fingers. Any man cannot have that kind of power.
Which questions me, was God human like us? Or was he just there?
And if he was a human, could we gain the same power God has?

No, God is not human. He made humans, one and I don't think He has a physical body according to The Bible, two. So, no we can't gain such power. He is different altogether. He looks like a human because, He made humans in His likeness but, isn't. Let's say you made a species that looks like you but, isn't you. You are not that species. You are still classified as a Homo Sapiens.