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Not if the other adc also has a good support and is warding well.

But caits automatically going to out farm, because she's cait.

I've seen vaynes with double a caits cs before XD too op vayne

Did u know that a team can win using tp and smite only ? ALL OF THE TEAM.
Yes cuz me and my friends tried that. Guess what, we win. Lol

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

I don't like Caitlyn, I think she's unfun to face. I'm not sure what it is, but she is played so much. She basically feeds herself with her ridiculously easy farming and it seems like she has an extremely easy time securing last hit kills.
I don't understand why she gets/needs an escape when Ashe/Vel'koz don't, she basically spends all lane blasting from a mile away. Even if you're good at dodging her skill shots, if the player is even marginally mediocre eventually they're going to hit you for easy damage. And if her support has cc and is decent, man, you're in for a world of pain. Especially if they're warding well, you're jungler will have a bitch of a time getting ganks. If she sees them coming, they're getting a flash at best.
Back to her stupid escape option, I really think it's something that could be changed on her for a more immersive ability. In addition to thinking that it's a little too much, it doesn't look right to me, how she can just fire her net off into empty space and launch herself backwards through the jungle. Or towards you. Seems to kind of defeat the purpose of a net shot, which is to ensnare a target.

But it's right up there in terms of riot logic with nidalee's spear. A thrown weapon that builds more force the farther it goes, but somehow has finite range.

Too be fair, I'm sure she's a lot easier to deal with when you have a support champ that has heals, strong shielding or both.

I think she's quite balanced. Her high range and extra damage from passive compensates her lack of strong cc like a lot of other adcs. And she's not the only adc with an easy escape. Thought about twitch or Ezreal. To be honest it might just be your play style that struggles against her. Just play it safe early and avoid her skill shots.

It's not so much that she messes with my play style alone. Seeing as how I main support and it seems about 50% of the games I play as support are against her. I've become pretty familiar with the matchup *The last game I played against her, I had her locked down all game. She went 12/12/16 and I was 8/7/16 as morgana. My marksman and I won lane.*. But she almost always shits on my marksman partner. I've found that I have a lot easier of a time playing something cheesy like morgana and poking with dark binding, which wont allow her to even have the chance to use her abilities. But with common marksman allies like Vayne and Ezreal after a few levels I quickly find my laning partner cowering under tower and losing farm badly or flat out low health and losing. Even if I'm doing alright as a support there's only so much I can do unless I picked a healing champion. I can play nami, but I don't really feel raka since they revamped her.

I don't think she's imbalanced, except for how over played she is *which makes it evident she's heavily favored*. So much as, I don't like her style, or facing her. I also think her escape is a little much.

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If I don't see you coming, you ain't coming.
I wont proclaim to be a very skilled player, but you can bet my map awareness is good.
Vision all day erry day.

I got Bronze I after the provs.

I'm trash

v.v

Jutsu, should't you de-ward more often? Although I myself tend to forget sweepers most of the time, even after sightstone.

Yeah I probably should, but I like to upgrade my ward to a greater vision totem.

I got solo qued so hard! I enter champion select, guy instalocks karthus and boldly states "first time karthus mid". Another guy calls jungle and then picks fizz. I call support, you know, just to play it safe. Someone says "Jutsu, do you want to duo support?" I said "no, no I don't. That sounds terrible" So they locked in as sona. The last guy was singed, who is a troll automatically haha.

Sona starts the game 2 minutes late, so I hold lane all on my lonesome. Then she comes to lane and gets immediately killed. Fizz dies to the second jungle camp and karthus is a bronze league hero.

So 20 minutes rolled around and they had twice our kills and 2 dragons. I ask for surrender, but no, absolute refusal. In chat they mentioned they're in skype. Of course, fuck me.

Sona tells me "I didn't really feel like doing a real lane, I just wanted to support but you called it. I'm just trying to have fun". Not what I wanted to be hearing, so I answer with "Well I'd love to be having fun but 30 minutes of my time is being wasted on this stupid idea and refusal to forfeit." and "Then don't play, if you don't feel like playing."

Refusal to surrender in these situations should be punishable by brutal ass rape.

Am I blind or is jutsu's league info not on the OP

I sent you a friend request.

I'm falling in love with AP Sona. It's just too good. People just won't expect damage to be coming from her. Q + Power Chord + Lichbane just does so much damage. Though last hitting with her is hard because her AD is pretty low. I think I'll but some AD runes to cover that.

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I sent you a friend request.

are you talking to me? Because if so, I didn't get a request. Send another one please.





Also, AI, AP Sona is godlike......... OP! One game, an AP sona one shot our entire team with ult, q, and lich bane >.<

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I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

I don't like Caitlyn, I think she's unfun to face. I'm not sure what it is, but she is played so much. She basically feeds herself with her ridiculously easy farming and it seems like she has an extremely easy time securing last hit kills.
I don't understand why she gets/needs an escape when Ashe/Vel'koz don't, she basically spends all lane blasting from a mile away. Even if you're good at dodging her skill shots, if the player is even marginally mediocre eventually they're going to hit you for easy damage. And if her support has cc and is decent, man, you're in for a world of pain. Especially if they're warding well, you're jungler will have a bitch of a time getting ganks. If she sees them coming, they're getting a flash at best.
Back to her stupid escape option, I really think it's something that could be changed on her for a more immersive ability. In addition to thinking that it's a little too much, it doesn't look right to me, how she can just fire her net off into empty space and launch herself backwards through the jungle. Or towards you. Seems to kind of defeat the purpose of a net shot, which is to ensnare a target.

But it's right up there in terms of riot logic with nidalee's spear. A thrown weapon that builds more force the farther it goes, but somehow has finite range.

Too be fair, I'm sure she's a lot easier to deal with when you have a support champ that has heals, strong shielding or both.

Cait's just a good poke and objective based champ with a strong early game..She's not really fun to play against cause she slowly eats your health away and you can't do anything about it lol. I feel like she's really good in bronze and silver if you know how to play her cause other people don't know how to deal with her range and kiting, however if you play cait in lane.. you almost have to expect to win lane, cause she'll fall off mid game and doesn't really shine again till almost full build. Usually if I go behind or even go even in lane as cait, I'll consider myself behind. If you lose lane as Cait, you're gonna feel completely useless lol. I mean.. Cait's late game isn't even that amazing.. it's just good cause you can keep yourself safe easier, other ad's have much higher ad scaling.. like Tristana late game is better than cait's in every single way lol. Longer range, better ad scaling, AS steroid, better escape, resets.... lol

And Cait sucks ass at duelling.. I always consider her the opposite of Vayne.. Vayne has crap range and has a hard time in lane but has one of the best 1v1's in the game. She should be able to beat anyone.. but Cait kinda sucks lol. tbh, I think a good way to deal with a Cait in lane is a hard engage comp.. like Leona, Graves, Thresh, Blitz, Ashe, etc. If you can catch her in a duel, then she won't be able to beat you, she's suppose to be able to beat you because of her ability to harass without being hit back but once you hard engage, she doesn't have that advantage any more. Usually people say Sustain>poke.. but for me, I am usually able to self sustain through minions and my supp and have a much harder time against hard engage. Also her net's super wonky too... I mean you have to aim it the opposite way of where you wanna go and you can interrupt it while she's casting it and she'll end up going no where lol..

Finally someone understands what I mean when I say she isn't fun to go against.
I totally agree with what you're saying about her dueling. Particularly what you said about hard engaging, unless your Marksman hard engages, eats a net and then continues to get poked.

It's not that I think she's OP or impossible to deal with, or that I even have a particularly hard time dealing with her. I just don't think she's fun to face. Against kalista, or graves I'll often leave the laning phase going "wow that was intense", but with cait it's more like "oh thank god that's over with". Like with cait, laning phase is just this mandatory shit you have to put up with, as a support main I pretty much just buy a sight ward and spend my time warding everything and jabbing her support to earn a paycheck with my spell theifs edge.

Speaking of which, I can make a lot of fucking gold as a support with a spell theifs edge. The only time I don't start the game with it is situations like when I'm nami and they're a long ranged marksman/support combo that I wont get to poke.

I get frustrated when my marksmen say "poke their marksman more" like, obviously I will if I get a shot lined up. It's almost always easier for me to earn money on their support than the marksman I'm going to take the gold I can get instead of being uselessly behind in terms of gear mid/late game. Especially since marksmen are almost always longer ranged than my support champ or safe from my abilities behind minions or have a dash.

Like last night I bot laned as Lux with a Vel'Koz whom I often go bot lane with *guy's dope as fuck*. I like laning with him because he's clear and polite about what he wants. We had an ezreal escaping and he pinged me to aim at him and typed ult into chat, but I knew he had his cheesy teleport thing but his flash was down. Had I ulted right then he would have totally teleported out of it. So I got a bit closer to him and shot my stun"root/snare, whatever the fuck it is" when he teleported to dodge that I blasted him with my ultimate. Vel'Koz and I did a high five and went back to buy.

I guess the point of the story is that most Marksmen expect too much or the wrong things from their support and seldom commend them when they do the right thing. It seems that the more experienced players *like the Vel'Koz from my example* have played some support and understand. But when I'm facing a marksman like cait, I can't really poke her unless she even wants to take that risk and even then I'm usually sticking my neck out too, probably more so than her.

I guess I just feel that marksmen who are at my level of play *not very high* don't have enough experience as a support to make a judgement call and simply don't understand what makes it a difficult job.

As a support you succeed and fail with your Marksman. If I'm doing poorly, check the scoreboard because my marksman is probably doing worse. If I'm doing well, check again, because my marksman is probably doing great.

So I just got Ahri and Rek'Sai and I've got no idea how to use either.

I can't say much about Rek'Sai, other than just select her and be OP until riot nerfs her into the ground *puns*

Ahri is fucking dope, she'll teach you how to keep your distance and space properly. Obviously you'll need to focus on farming since she's usually a mid laner. Take pot shots with her orb ability. Don't engage hard unless you land a charm, then blast them as they have no choice but to take it.