Corporal Punishment within School Systems

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Jan 26, 2014 3:24 PM #1147055
I think that corparal punishment should be allowed in schools unless it gets out of hand. My previous post talked about whacking children's hands with rulers. It doesn't hurt much but will make you scared to do something bad. I think that is fine to a extent. Drowning and torturing them is a different story.
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Jan 26, 2014 5:49 PM #1147114
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Positive reinforcement has been proven over and over as a more effective way, endorsing good behavior does work better then punishing bad behavior, that much was established by B.F. Skinner and the like in the 1930's and -40s. They showed that punishment showed positive effects in the short term, but looking at longer periods of time it did not prove effective.
Most psychologists agree that corporal punishment it not effective, Elizabeth Gershoff and Graham Bermann analyzed decades of research into the matter and published a paper about their research in 2008. In the paper they encouraged caretakers not to use corporal punishment. The paper was endorsed by a number of institutions, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, American Medical Association and Psychologists for Social Responsibility.

Yet classes in those time periods ran efficiently, without half the class texting their friends and talking while in-session. A large part of all the negative effects of Corporal Punishment can be attributed to the incompetency and aggression of teachers. I refer you to the link below so you can have a look.

I'd think that the American Psychoanalytic Association is a fairly scientific institution, and the references they list seem legit. I have also yet to see a single psychological institution that endorse corporal punishment.
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I would argue that has more to do with the actual way the educational system is set up as a whole, rather then the lack of punishment. For example, the problem with class sizes isn't that teachers don't have an effective way to discipline the class as a whole, the problem is that the class is to big. I believe the current educational system needs a complete overhaul.
I can agree with that. Non-violent methods of punishment would work well and do much better if class sizes were smaller. As of right now, class sizes are not small though, hence why I think Corporal Punishment works better in this case.


I'd also like to say that a lot of the 'quirks' a kid develops just stem from bad parenting. If you knew how to parent your kid the right way, there wouldn't be much reason for any kind of punishment, corporal or otherwise.
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Jan 26, 2014 6:59 PM #1147153
Yet classes in those time periods ran efficiently, without half the class texting their friends and talking while in-session. A large part of all the negative effects of Corporal Punishment can be attributed to the incompetency and aggression of teachers. I refer you to the link below so you can have a look.


I disagree. If you look at the number of people completing school you can see a steady rise in graduation rates. Talking and texting does not have to be caused by the lack of punishment, there are many variables that could cause students lack of attention within the classroom, I would argue that the increase in class sizes contribute more to this then the actual punishment that students face.

The study you referred to only underlined the lack of research that has been made into this matter and didn't really make any real points for, or against it, again, I would say that children should get to enjoy the benefit of the doubt.


I can agree with that. Non-violent methods of punishment would work well and do much better if class sizes were smaller. As of right now, class sizes are not small though, hence why I think Corporal Punishment works better in this case.


You completely missed my point, I was trying to say that rather then trying to find effective ways to punish the group we should be working on ways to make the classes smaller.
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Jan 26, 2014 7:13 PM #1147157
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The study you referred to only underlined the lack of research that has been made into this matter and didn't really make any real points for, or against it, again, I would say that children should get to enjoy the benefit of the doubt.
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Also, I liked the TED video. Thanks for that.
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Jan 30, 2014 6:39 AM #1149323
In agreement with the education's "normal" standards vs. "unusual" children argument, I find that corporal punishment is largely ineffective, partly due to my own experience with corporal punishment and also from what I've seen from interacting with others. Usually, identifying with someone and calmly explaining something is often more effective than taking a belt to their behind. All it really takes is a little know-how and a lot of practice. If I could do it when I was 12, so can a teacher who's 30-60 years old, in my opinion. It won't always work, but then again some students might not listen to anyone.