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Right when I reached enough gold and mana to upgrade to tower lvl 2, I decided not to, because he would just mind control the tower enslaved giant.

V can't control ghost units.

Whoa whoa whoa, slow down there.

How the hell did they manage to V mass?! You realize that's not just a crap load of gold, that's a crapload of gold being stored for maybe up to a minute for that! V massing is like, worse than giant massing. Baffling.

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Whoa whoa whoa, slow down there.

How the hell did they manage to V mass?! You realize that's not just a crap load of gold, that's a crapload of gold being stored for maybe up to a minute for that! V massing is like, worse than giant massing. Baffling.

I doubt he started massing right away, and it's my own fault for not harassing him enough, but that's not relevant to my answer to stopping V mass. Here's what I think he did to mass Vs:

The ele player clearly didn't start massing Vs right away (as I mentioned above.) He obviously went semi-full turtle, and slowly made earth, water, air and fire one by one as he spammed miners. He also may have went for early miner hustle as well as early passive income (max upgrade.) Another thing I noticed is that he never attacked early or mid game; just pure defense.

Along the way I tried to send about 4 or 5 shadowraths to stop the Vs but they garrisoned immediately, and I decided to attack his miners instead. Although it appears I may be getting an advantage, I think I just did him a favor, because he had a lot of real V (about like 5 or 6 or even 7) and hardly any miners in gold in late game. In other words he must've decided to mass more Vs when I killed off his miners.

V mass should be easily dispatchable with shinobi 2 and a semi-mass of shadow, but having all the Vs camp in front of the castle to garrison instantly, we have a problem.

He was clearly waiting for me to attack with full army, but again I didn't want to risk getting my units mind-controlled, especially my mages and merics. I had an albow mass going as well but they'd die quick from max lvl CA.

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The ele player clearly didn't start massing Vs right away.

Then what was he doing? I mean, what was holding you back?

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He obviously went semi-full turtle,

Please explain to me how this is obvious, and what's a semi-full turtle. He's sheltering, or he isn't.

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and slowly made earth, water, air and fire one by one as he spammed miners.

How does one make earths AND miners AND over 1k gold in other units?!

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He also may have went for early miner hustle as well as early passive income (max upgrade.)

I'm assuming you mean by early, this came before the giant mass of unit queues. In which case, how the hell did he manage to do this?

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Another thing I noticed is that he never attacked early or mid game; just pure defense.

So he camped. Seems pretty straight forward you didn't do your job to check up on him and see what he's doing with your time.

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Along the way I tried to send about 4 or 5 shadowraths to stop the Vs but they garrisoned immediately, and I decided to attack his miners instead. Although it appears I may be getting an advantage, I think I just did him a favor, because he had a lot of real V (about like 5 or 6 or even 7) and hardly any miners in gold in late game. In other words he must've decided to mass more Vs when I killed off his miners.

...That's just disgusting. How much time did you give him?

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V mass should be easily dispatchable with shinobi 2 and a semi-mass of shadow, but having all the Vs camp in front of the castle to garrison instantly, we have a problem.

Nope, just you. Sounds to me like he had enough time to go to the store, buy bread and butter and make a sandwich while he played.

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He was clearly waiting for me to attack with full army, but again I didn't want to risk getting my units mind-controlled, especially my mages and merics. I had an albow mass going as well but they'd die quick from max lvl CA.

If he was waiting... for an army... why didn't you give him one? I mean, even with all his clones and stuff, he can only control 1 V at a time. You could have easily just ran in there with spears, ninjas, whatever you want.

...and he had 3 Castle airs as well?! You should manage your time better.

v's are good if you can use them properly.
I've tele dodged shin obis plenty of times i usually start trees first into v mass
by going tree rush like usual to apply pressure and make shadows relatively meaning less as trees won't be shinobied easily by just one shadow and will die to poison as it rushes into multiple death blossom stuns and poisoning scorps tsp afterwards
build v research clone upgrades use clone upgrades occasionally targeting his merics. if a shadow is seen rushing my V i either take control of it and shin obi a unit and wait till enemy units kill it to get 2 for one one 30 for one if the opponent is careless. using waters with upgrades to heal V if its attacked by spears simply freezing spears or self destructing to heal. if i grab a magikill alone then its party time if the magikill has upgrades.
i especially like grabbing the magikill as its casting elec wall on my scorps so that it negates and kill the wall along with any units guarding the wall i.e. speartons or brave merics.
build another V repeat targeting support units or giants with it. should get tsp b4 second v and have fun.
I've done it plenty of times successfully.
airs seem to be pointless unless chaos is there.
against chaos i micro my waters.
freezing the deads and zapping with air as ts1 absorbs basically everything else.
if they target my waters the detonate healing things still only releasing one dead thats basically dead due to air targeting
V vs. chaos doesn't seem to happen often

Nope, just you. Sounds to me like he had enough time to go to the store, buy bread and butter and make a sandwich while he played.

I laughed for a whole minute at this. Oh my god WyzDM, lmao.

Can I have a replay though? It sounds like you had like, a 7 minute window before he had a lot of Vs which you could have attacked. (and should have.)

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I laughed for a whole minute at this. Oh my god WyzDM, lmao.

Can I have a replay though? It sounds like you had like, a 7 minute window before he had a lot of Vs which you could have attacked. (and should have.)

As much as I'd like to, the game went on for too long (over 15 minutes) so therefore the replay was broken. :(

I want you guys to put a fail stamp on my face; I deserved it for giving the Ele player a little too much time. ; n ;

But again the way how he used Vs were incredibly pointless because all he did was spam clones that could be easily taken out with albow, shadow, and mage (electric wall >.>)

If it was incredibly pointless you should have killed it :/

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Shadowrath are among the fastest units in the game, have stealth capabilities and instant high-damage with poison. Use them to assassinate a V while it is controlling, get two in case the V decides to control your Shadowrath.

V can posses shadowwrath in shionubi

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V can posses shadowwrath in shionubi

In the cloak? Are you sure?

I'll go test this later but this should certainly not be a thing.