Lazar, thing is, this is a strategy game. So you have to use strategy. Of course, swordwrath are going to beat crawlers 1v1, but you should never be in a 1v1 situation. Chaos uses tactics of early game agression, which I'm sure you emphasize with hopefully by taking out their miners.
Also, like WyzDM mentioned, that regen can be a life-saver, and is also why Juggerknight barely beats a Spearton.
CJ why you decrese power of Chaos?
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Jul 7, 2014 6:04 PM #1216339
Jul 7, 2014 6:07 PM #1216341
Quote from lazar72If Order units play 1v1 we will get this results: Enslaved Miner vs Miner=Tie , Crawler vs Swordwrath=Sword win,Archer vs Dead=Dead win,Marrowkai vs Meric=Marrow wins,Magikill vs Medusa=Medusa wins,Jugger vs Spearton=Jugger wins,Bomber vs Shadowrath=Shadow win,Albow vs Eclipsor=Albow wins,Giant vs Enslaved giant=Enslaved giant wins.Even if dead is better in 1v1,Archer can avoid dead's gut,and archer can kite.Marrowkai is better in 1v1 with meric,but few meric can make Order win,Meric is better than Chaos's Auto heal and cure.Medusa is one of the best unit for 1v1,she can jut kill somebody(exept giant),but magikill is best in big battles,he can poison every unit,burn dmg every unit,and dmg it with his electric wall.maybe jungger is better in 1v1,but still,spearton can use his shield and get armor,so he can be like kind of miner wall.Between,spearton has bigger Attack speed than Jugger.Even when one patch said that giant growth lvl 2(For chaos giant) gives more healt,Enslaved giant is stronger when both giants have giant growth lvl 2.Btw Enslaved giants can kite.
-Medusa healt bar and Stone face are decresed.Now Medusa can't ston other medusa.
-Even if CJ want to make balance,that balance is little unfair.So people are paying Chaos to lose?Chaos can win only if he attacks at start.Cost of archer and sword are now best for stopping Chaos in their attack.Common tell me,is little maps fair for chaos players?There is a 5-20% that Chaos will beat order in little maps.
You've missed the entire point. This game isn't about 1v1 matches, it's about armies vs armies, which with Chaos and Order is balanced just fine. People playing Chaos can win just fine, go watch the replays of the matches.
Trying to run straight up at opponents is not the only way to win, and at times it's not viable, but balance is still there with other options being open that Chaos can use like stalling or miner runs.
Jul 7, 2014 7:19 PM #1216355
Quote from lazar72If Order units play 1v1 we will get this results: Enslaved Miner vs Miner=Tie , Crawler vs Swordwrath=Sword win,Archer vs Dead=Dead win,Marrowkai vs Meric=Marrow wins,Magikill vs Medusa=Medusa wins,Jugger vs Spearton=Jugger wins,Bomber vs Shadowrath=Shadow win,Albow vs Eclipsor=Albow wins,Giant vs Enslaved giant=Enslaved giant wins.Even if dead is better in 1v1,Archer can avoid dead's gut,and archer can kite.Marrowkai is better in 1v1 with meric,but few meric can make Order win,Meric is better than Chaos's Auto heal and cure.Medusa is one of the best unit for 1v1,she can jut kill somebody(exept giant),but magikill is best in big battles,he can poison every unit,burn dmg every unit,and dmg it with his electric wall.maybe jungger is better in 1v1,but still,spearton can use his shield and get armor,so he can be like kind of miner wall.Between,spearton has bigger Attack speed than Jugger.Even when one patch said that giant growth lvl 2(For chaos giant) gives more healt,Enslaved giant is stronger when both giants have giant growth lvl 2.Btw Enslaved giants can kite.
-Medusa healt bar and Stone face are decresed.Now Medusa can't ston other medusa.
-Even if CJ want to make balance,that balance is little unfair.So people are paying Chaos to lose?Chaos can win only if he attacks at start.Cost of archer and sword are now best for stopping Chaos in their attack.Common tell me,is little maps fair for chaos players?There is a 5-20% that Chaos will beat order in little maps.
Oh gawd, this is "Chaos is it Fair?" all over again >.>
Listen, I once used to go way overboard about how OP chaos was...but then I learned it was a mistake to make a big deal about it.
The reason is because I realized that in specific ways...all empires have their advantages and disadvantages that balance out.
It is the reason why my very old "Chaos is it Fair?" thread was a mistake.
My point being is that you shouldn't try to fix what you believe is broken when everyone else agrees it isn't. I do feel for ya as you are pushing for an "Investigation" to further balance the empires...but truthfully I don't believe they are unbalanced. Then again when I did raise my argument (thread), it did have one success as it balanced the Eclipsors.
(If memory serves me correct)
On a second note however, I would be interested to see another spell for Marrows :p
Jul 7, 2014 8:42 PM #1216370
Quote from BuddyLucky2
On a second note however, I would be interested to see another spell for Marrows :p
I do hope it would be a weak one.
Jul 7, 2014 9:02 PM #1216374
*Sigh*, When i made my old "Order is it fair" thread http://forums.stickpage.com/showthread.php?73496-Order-is-it-fair Buddy taught me a lesson in Not Ranting. So Order is a tad more powerful than chaos. Can I live with it? Yes. On long and medium maps, I can beat Order players. If on short, maybe I will win, maybe i will lose. The point is: Don't make the same mistake i did.
Chaos is fine and its 49-51 when it comes to Order vs Chaos. Notice there are still many top players who use chaos? If they can do it, you can.
Chaos is fine and its 49-51 when it comes to Order vs Chaos. Notice there are still many top players who use chaos? If they can do it, you can.
Jul 9, 2014 7:18 AM #1217084
For me, my style suits chaos more
therefore my chaos is better than my order
As Buddy said, every empire has its own advantages and disadvantages
perhaps you can utilize one's advantages to overcome the difficulties
therefore my chaos is better than my order
As Buddy said, every empire has its own advantages and disadvantages
perhaps you can utilize one's advantages to overcome the difficulties
Jul 9, 2014 12:10 PM #1217176
But still guys you can see that now Order players can beat Chaos players.So people are paying chaos to lose?
Jul 9, 2014 5:10 PM #1217310
Quote from lazar72But still guys you can see that now Order players can beat Chaos players.So people are paying chaos to lose?
But still guys you can also see that now Chaos players can beat Order players.So people are are playing order to lose?
Jul 9, 2014 5:10 PM #1217311
Quote from lazar72But still guys you can see that now Order players can beat Chaos players.So people are paying chaos to lose?
You say it like you want chaos to be better then order because you have to pay for it, thats not how this game works. You pay if you wanna support the developers or just want to have more fun with the game. Order is supposed to beat chaos because thats fair and chaos can beat order, the game is about playstyle and skill simple as that.
Jul 9, 2014 7:59 PM #1217352
Quote from THatone GamerYou say it like you want chaos to be better then order because you have to pay for it, thats not how this game works. You pay if you wanna support the developers or just want to have more fun with the game. Order is supposed to beat chaos because thats fair and chaos can beat order, the game is about playstyle and skill simple as that.
Thats what I was going to say ;)
Jul 9, 2014 8:36 PM #1217354
Quote from CRAZY JAYThats what I was going to say ;)
That's what all of us have been saying the last three pages :P
Jul 10, 2014 8:46 AM #1217608
This is a troll thread. Can we get this locked. The circular reasoning is ridiculous. TL;DR I agree with everyone except lazar.
Jul 10, 2014 1:34 PM #1217722
Quote from DragonArcherZThis is a troll thread. Can we get this locked. The circular reasoning is ridiculous. TL;DR I agree with everyone except lazar.
My sig clearly does not work as well as I would like it to :P
I don't think they are actually trying to troll though, that's the scary thing.
Jul 10, 2014 2:13 PM #1217738
On a second note however, I would be interested to see another spell for Marrows
At last finaly I Am not alone :) If it was weak I would not care people would rather bring out Medusa because of one shot kill but it is a shame to see such a iconic unit wasted yes if we put third we would need balance which too be honest I don't see why giving a marrow a third spell would unbalance the game and if others think it is what about it being researchable or increase the price of marrows it would just make the marrow a bit more effective like the magikil imagine what that would be like minus poison spray. Because it really it reaps ONE Unit the opposing army could simply walk forward and the hellfists is the only spell that actually can change a battle although it is only good on archers.
BUT let me put this to you. When was the last time (Pros I am talking to you here not someone on trial) When did you last bring out a marrow? Did it win you the battle or did it make a contribution? Did it quickly run out of spells and was useless for a long period of time?
Jul 10, 2014 3:19 PM #1217754
Quote from lewislewisAt last finaly I Am not alone :) If it was weak I would not care people would rather bring out Medusa because of one shot kill but it is a shame to see such a iconic unit wasted yes if we put third we would need balance which too be honest I don't see why giving a marrow a third spell would unbalance the game and if others think it is what about it being researchable or increase the price of marrows it would just make the marrow a bit more effective like the magikil imagine what that would be like minus poison spray. Because it really it reaps ONE Unit the opposing army could simply walk forward and the hellfists is the only spell that actually can change a battle although it is only good on archers.
BUT let me put this to you. When was the last time (Pros I am talking to you here not someone on trial) When did you last bring out a marrow? Did it win you the battle or did it make a contribution? Did it quickly run out of spells and was useless for a long period of time?
Marrowkai's are amazing what are you talking about, there spells are extremely powerfull. Marrowkai are not ment to directly take out mages there ment to be a AoE caster and chasers, keep in mind that the reap spell has less recharge then petrify. If you are able to have 3 marrowkais in the field and the oppenent is giant massing you can basically bring any giant to your base if you really wanted to. And if you perfectly land a hellfist everything and I mean everything dies (1 fist is around 80% of a health bar), they used to be bad but since that hellfist buff there amazing. Making a third spell is unnecessary. I still get marrowkais earlier then medusa just cause of the hellfist and fast reap recharge and usually win once I get it out, but again thats my playstyle.